Discussion in 'Business and MBA degrees' started by macattack, Oct 2, 2007.
George Fox Doctor of Management degree
It looks like the start date has been pushed back to January 2010 and the price has gone up from $54,000 to $70,000, which includes books but - of course- not lodging/airfare for the in-person portion. The original memo referred to above stated that the DBA program is a revenue source for the on-ground PhD program so the cost is not surprising.
I'm unhappy that the cost is going up, so I hope another AACSB university gets a cheaper DBA program going sooner.
The cost now includes coffee and snacks, thus the price increase .
There is always Grenoble, AACSB and $42,000.
Ah, you answered the question that I didn't ask. I know Nova is around the same. I wonder how hard it is to get into Genoble?
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From what I hear from current DBA students, Nova may not be far from snagging AACSB accreditation.
Thanks. Reading my previous post I'm not sure I was clear. Nova is about the same cost as UF is expected to be. If Nova is AACSB then the programs are pretty similar in utility. Nova appeals to me, as does Grenoble.
Oh, well, I'm not starting until 2011, so I have some time to research. Thanks again.
NSU going for AACSB
Don't forget that Nova is pushing hard on AACSB. While it isn't certain, the school appears to be on track to be AACSB in the next couple of years.
In the process Nova will sharply decrease the size of their DBA program. Once 500+ students, you'll see a NSU DBA program closer to 100 students. This is reflected now in tightened entrance standards.
Will Walden, Capella, Phoenix, et al follow? I doubt it given AACSB's standards.
Regards - Andy
What does one do with a DBA? While it seems that it might not be enough to win a tenure track appointment it also seems to be too much for a corporate job. Is this the kid of degree that helps turn an employee into a consultant?
I disagree with your first two points.
There are DBA's on tenure at B-schools throughout the nation. There are DBA's in business, many of whom have decided to become in-depth experts in their fields.
To answer your question: The DBA can be quite helpful in becoming a consultant.
To answer the question you didn't ask: the future will not be based upon jobs offered by employers. We're all shifting towards person-centered employment, where what you know and what you can do matters more than for whom you do or have done it. Thus, we'll all be consultants, even if we hold "jobs" at "companies." Our employers are shifting to become our clients. Therefore, pursuing credentials that make us valuable to all employers, not just current ones, will be vital. See William Bridges in "Jobshift" for more.
This is the best summary I have read in quite some time.
PhD or DBA
The designation "DBA" or "PhD in Business" is chosen by schools - and as far as I can see there is no consistent difference the two. I've seen schools that give students the choice of which degree they are awarded. Other schools choose to offer one or the other as their doctoral degree program in business. Harvard awards DBAs - so does Nova. Stanford awards PhDs and so does Capella.
I have a DBA from NSU and I am a tenured faculty member at an ACBSP school. When we hire new faculty the label DBA or PhD doesn't matter. Where you went to school, what research you have done, what industry experience you have and what you have done in the classroom does matter.
Regards - Andy
I agree with Andy’s comments. Additionally, I believe that after you graduate, the importance of where you earned your doctorate degree decreases with time. Your professional experience, teaching, and research (conference presentations and publications) will continue to increase in importance and overshadow the source of your degree.
In my experience, my Argosy DBA got me hired (full time at an AACSB school). My teaching, research, and academic service will determine my future success.
It's probably a combination of the decline in the value of the dollar and a possible tuition increase, but the Grenoble DBA is now almost $49,000.
Does anyone have more information on this?
I would think the applications would be available soon, but there is still not even a mention of the DBA on the website. Thanks!
Australian DBAs used to be cheaper, Southern Cross and USQ DBAs are now in the order to $50,000 AUD. It seems that the trend is to make these programs very expensive as a way to reduce intakes and make them more prestigious. It seems that the only DL PhD programs that are affordable nowadays are NCU and the DETC schools.
To be quite honest, the ROI of the DBA programs is quite questionable. You are putting 50K of your hard earned money and years of work so you can land either a low paid entry level professor job or a even lower paid adjunct position.
Professor positions are becoming quite competitive and this makes the investment even riskier, I just attended a meeting with Devry and they communicated the results of a competition for a position as a professor in IS. They received 40 applications just from internal candidates, the individual that got the job has a PhD, experience as a director of IS both in the military and industry and has an extensive number of certifications. This for a position that hardly pays 65K and is non tenured but on a contract basis. It seems to me that there are easier and cheaper ways to make 65K a year.
True but these aren't jobs per se so much as they're revenue streams. I can handle, without issue, 3-4 adjunct positions. Last year, I made 25% of the income from my FT career from adjuncting. This year, I may be able to push it up to 40-50%. That's quite the raise.
$65K in industry would require a LOT more work than will an adjunct job at DeVry. This guy may have 3-4 similar gigs.
You still have not indicated from what school you obtained your doctorate degree?
This was for a full time professor position, an adjunct at Devry can only teach up to 33 credits a year. Even if you teach the maximum, you are looking at $20K a year as an adjunct. Full time positions at Devry have policies that prevent you from teaching at other schools, however, you can take extra loads at Devry as an online adjunct.
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