universities offering PhD DL OR Online programs for me

Discussion in 'General Distance Learning Discussions' started by eager beaver, Feb 26, 2012.

  1. eager beaver

    eager beaver New Member

    Hi everyone,
    its pleasure to be a member of this forum,
    I would like to know what universities offer PhD (DL or online) which suit me.
    my academic background:
    - MBA in IT
    - Bsc in IT
    (both from Indian universities).
    I'm looking for a university within the following criteria:
    - field of study PhD- Doctoral program in information technology e.g.: general IT, information security, information systems, DBA in information systems etc.
    - from any university around the world but it should be accredited by ministry of higher education in that country.
    - Low course fee (since I have small budget) around 5$K or less.
    - doesn't require residence.
    - course duration 3 years max. 2 years preferred.
    current country of residence Saudi Arabia.
    thank you in advance :biglaugh:
  2. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

  3. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

  4. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    Most serious doctorates would cost at least 50K and would take 5 years part time. Even UNISA would cost you more than that.
    3 years is the minimum for a full time doctorate, some schoools might allow two years if the student has already a masters from the same school.

    May be some of the Indian schools might satisfy at least the cost requirement.

    The board is full of similar posts of individuals that want the cheapest, the fastest, the easiest, with high employment prospects, etc but these programs do not exist.
  5. Cyber

    Cyber New Member

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  6. Cyber

    Cyber New Member

    In is only in america that everything MUST cost alot, even though in reality the quality is inferior. Unisa programs proves that notion wrong! Also, FYI, a typical school in India have far more quality than most no-name american schools and/or state schools in the U.S., and they cost almost nothing, compared to american programs that every school is busy trying to charge $50k for. Ofcourse, that "american superiority complex" would blind many to thinking otherwise. I know adjuncts who care about making money from online doctorates may not like to hear this, but I totally reject the notion that a good PhD program should cost $50k or more; schools that charge that do so because they can (profits?) and students are willing to take out student loans to pay for them. Doctorates at schools like NCU, Capella, etc. cost more than $50k. Does it mean their quality is superb? Other than use them to teach at other online schools, what are those degrees really good for? please.....
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  7. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    It is not really a matter of a complex of superiority but a matter of marketability, I would rather have a PhD from NCU or Capella than a PhD from a e-University in Asia even if the latter has a stronger program.

    It depends where you are planning to work, but I really don't see much use for a PhD from an e-school from India in the USA, Canada, UK or Europe.

    Dot com schools might have the lowest level of credibility but at the very least satisfy the minimum level of requirements that can help to land some adjunct positions and promotions in places where the RA PhD is required.

    For our friend from India, I wouldnt waste my time with very low profile doctorates. If you have a low budget, use it instead in fore more credible credentials such as a CFA, ACCA, CPA, etc. Any of these credentials would provide better career prospects in my opinion.

    I would rather have a CFA than a PhD from a e-University in Asia.
  8. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator Staff Member

    Would you mind sharing who you teach for and what you base these comments on? Is it "gut feelings" or something else? Have you completed a PhD (or even taken a few classes) from NCU, Capella, etc? Have you taken a single class from an Indian school to support this comment, "Also, FYI, a typical school in India have far more quality than most no-name american schools and/or state schools in the U.S"?

    "I know adjuncts who care about making money from online doctorates may not like to hear this, but I totally reject the notion that a good PhD program should cost $50k or more"....who cares that you reject the notion? I reject the notion that people would pay $50K for any degree except for an ivy league degree but I am sure no one cares about that either.

    By the way, I paid about $3K out of pocket for my PhD and earned that back in one semester...
  9. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    I have few Indian friends that tell me horror stories about people buying degrees from low profile Indian institutions.
    I used to hire IT professionals and was told to hire only people from certain known Indian schools as many were not reliable.

    Regional accreditation provides minimum standards that make degrees credible enough to at least trust that the individual holding the qualification worked for the degree. In many places in the world, people just buy the credential.

    I think that 50K could be a reasonable investment if the degree comes from a credible institution like some of the European schools that offer doctorate programs.

    Life is expensive, I live in an area where a typical house is 600K so 50K is a small investment if the school can actually help in ones career.
  10. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

    your proposition is laughable
  11. Psydoc

    Psydoc New Member

    It is true that Indian schools cost less; a Masters in Social Work from IG is approximately $4,000 US but I tried for six months to enroll and could not get a return email. So, cost is immaterial if the product is not made readily available. After this, I am not sure I would enroll, is the delivery of the product along the same lines?
  12. dl_mba

    dl_mba Member

    I hate to put it like this...but this is the truth... India is a 4th World country(word coined by your own first Prime Minister- Nehru) except for a couple cities, all others are under-developed with rampant corruption and bribery. No roads/sanitation/health-care/drinking-flowing water. It costs less than a dollar/day to live in India(of course outside those couple cities where everything is inflated).
    Here USA is a First world country where basic necessities are provided by default. The cost of having all these amenities is not cheap. Cost of living becomes higher and you do have a good life and enjoy true democracy compared to India where all the elections are rigged and cash-for-vote is rampant.
    I have been to universities in India, nobody cares for anybody. There is no basic courtesy among the staff to even have a decent conversation. No emails are returned and nobody picks up phone calls. Staff come to work around 10:30 AM and leave for tea break at 10:45 AM for 30 minutes. Leave for lunch at 12:30 PM and comeback at 2:00 PM. Go home at 4:30 PM. They get paid less than $500/month on an average across the university. The cost to run a University is next to nothing as all the public universities are government funded. Most of those funds are misused. You can buy questions papers days before the exams. There are colleges where students sit in a class room and write exams together with Professors helping them. You can also passa class/exam by paying money to the professor. You can also pay money and get good grades in most of the universities.
    Private Universities on the other hand are very expensive. for example the Unaccredited but AACSB accredited(??) school(www.isb.edu) charges 22Lakhs (more than $40K) for a Diploma (not a MBA).
    Please do your research before speculating.
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  13. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator Staff Member

    I guess that kills Cyber's claim of, "Also, FYI, a typical school in India have far more quality than most no-name american schools and/or state schools in the U.S., ... "...shocking...
  14. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

    All you have to do to see that cyber is right is to look at the tens of thousands of people from the USA, Canada, England and all of Europe who are streaming to India in hopes of enrolling in one of those universities.:lmao:
  15. major56

    major56 Active Member

    In addition to the Indian Business School (IBS) as noted by dl_mba, two public, autonomous institutes of management education in India are the Indian Institute of Management Ahmedabad (IIMA) and the Indian Institute of Management Bangalore (IIMB) … both EQUIS accredited and are regarded to be among the most esteemed and leading business schools in India. Not taking anything away from the Indian Business School (IBS) quality and/or its AACSB accreditation value; though, IIMA is actually ranked ahead (#11) of IBS (#20) globally by FT.
    Business school rankings from the Financial Times - Global MBA Rankings 2012
    Institute - IIMA
    About the Institute | Indian Institute of Management Bangalore

    Notes: In that degrees can only be awarded by universities in India; per IBS, “The Post Graduate Programme in Management (PGP) is comparable in rigor and content to a regular two-year full-time MBA programme offered by global business schools”, e.g., IIMA, IIMB and the IBS Post-graduate Diploma in Management (PGDM) is generally accepted as being equivalent to a MBA.

    And per IIMA:

    The Institute conducts the following major Programmes:

    • Two-year Post-Graduate Programme in Management (equivalent to MBA)
    • Two-year Post-Graduate Programme in Agri-business Management (equivalent to MBA)
    • Fellow Programme in Management (equivalent to Ph.D.)
    • One-year Post-Graduate Programme in Management for Executives (PGPX, equivalent to MBA)
    Executive Education - IIMA
  16. dl_mba

    dl_mba Member

    According to their website, ISB is an Unaccredited University in India, charging in excess of $40,000.00 for a Certificate Program. I still don't understand how they got AACSB accreditation.


    1) Does AICTE/UGC recognise the ISB’s Post Graduation Programme in Management?

    The ISB neither offers a diploma nor a degree. It is a certificate programme for students with experience. Therefore, we have not sought recognition for our Post Graduate Programme in Management from either the AICTE or the UGC.
  17. major56

    major56 Active Member

    I believe you referred to ISB’s postgraduate program as a diploma in posting #12 (e.g., “Private Universities on the other hand are very expensive. For example the Unaccredited but AACSB accredited (??) school (Indian School of Business, Executive Education, Business Research, B-school) charges 22Lakhs (more than $40K) for a Diploma (not a MBA ).” Moreover as I mentioned in the earlier post … technically, degrees can only be awarded by universities in India. Though the tenth anniversary ISB (the youngest institution to be ranked among the top 20 b-schools in the world) is not recognized by AICTE, it is a well ranked /regarded b-school by Financial Times along with having AACSB accreditation (e.g., the very same hallmark of excellence in Business education accreditation as your alma mater (TAMUC)). Perhaps ISB’s standalone accreditation by AACSB along with the following higher education partnerships have appreciably contributed to Indian School of Business Hyderabad postgraduate programs in management being in general considered equivalent to the MBA degree (?).

    Re Business School collaborations (Apr. 2010):

    “The Indian School of Business offers one of the most reputed business programs in India, pioneering this model of joint certificate programs. It offers a one-year graduate program in management in partnership with the Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania, the Kellogg School of Management at Northwestern University, and London Business School. As the following bullet points show, other schools have adopted the successful ISB model of international collaboration.”
    • Asia Graduate School of Business, Hyderabad and Fisher College of Business at the Ohio State University.
    • Great Lakes Institute of Management, Chennai and Illinois Institute of Technology, Yale University and Singapore’s Nanyang Technological University.
    • National Management School, Chennai and J. Mack Robinson College of Business, Georgia State University

    Choudaha, R. (2010). India and the United States: cooperating in education across borders. World Education News & Reviews, 23(3). World Education Services (WES). Retrieved Feb. 27, 2012, from WENR, April 2010: Feature

    Re London Business School (LBS): International Exchange Programme

    “Each year approximately 35 per cent of second-year MBA students spend a term abroad at one of over 30 partner schools. We also host a similar number of students from our partner schools.” I.e., partner schools-India:
    • Indian Institute of Management Bangalore, India (EQUIS): Ave. 2011 GMAT score 770
    • Indian School of Business, India (AACSB): Ave. 2011 GMAT score 710

    * LBS ave. 2011 GMAT score 694
    * Wharton ave. 2011 GMAT score 713
    * Kellogg ave. 2011 GMAT score 700
    MBA International Exchange Programme, London Business School
    Regional ratings: QS Global 200 Business Schools Report 2012 | TOPMBA

    ISB’s alliance with The Wharton School, the Kellogg School of Management and London Business School could make it one of the better management schools not only in India but in the Asia-Pacific region as well (?).
  18. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    I have a friend that graduated from ISB. He told me that ISB cannot grant degrees because it doesnt have University status in India.
    However, ISB is very prestigious and graduates get offers from top companies in India.

    Their doctorates are actually called fellow of ISB but it is prestigious and accepted to teach at top business schools in India.

    From Indian friends and people that know Indian education, it appears that only few schools are highly recongized including the IIT and ISB.

    There are other respected credentials like the Chartered Accountant designation.

    If my goal was to get a degree that could be recognized in the world, I would stick to Western Europe, Australia, USA and Canada. I am better off with a low profile degree from the US than one from a e-University in India.
    There are plenty of cab drivers in Canada and the US that can witness the low acceptability of low profile indian institutions in North America.
  19. eager beaver

    eager beaver New Member

    in your opinion what is the minimum acceptable Duration & fee for a PhD program?
  20. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

    There's a bit of a problem with giving you a straight forward answer to your question but I'll give it a try. In an American-type PhD program I don't think that you could reasonably accomplish the task in less than four years (I know that there's certainly been people who've done it in less but I think that's relatively rare). You have to do all the coursework, take your comps and then write your dissertation. From what we've heard, many people stumble at that last stage. In other systems (sometimes called the Commonwealth system) it's a dissertation-only process with no coursework involved. Some people think this means it can be completed substantially faster but from what I've seen that's not the case. I've heard that it often takes an entire year just to produce an acceptable dissertation proposal. I'm going to say that even in those circumstances it could take 3-4 years, even if you're working on it full-time. As for cost, it varies considerably within the USA. For a DL PhD an average might be 20K USD if you get through is in that time frame. Costs in Britain, Australia are roughly comparable, maybe a bit higher. Costs in South Africa are substantially less, maybe 5K USD for the whole thing. At the same time we've heard stories about places like Germany where you might be able to attend virtually free. Be careful to read the fine print, the language of instruction, etc. There are other countries around the world that have Open Universities that seem quite reasonably priced but may not be accessible to people from certain places. For example, the Open University (UK) is not available to people living in the USA. The Open University of Hong Kong does not appear to be accessible to those of us in the USA either. So, because this is largely an American discussion board, we don't get a lot of chattter about those schools even though they might be available to people in other countries. So the cost is going to vary considerably with the country. I would prefer to pay the least amount possible while maintaining a relatively high standard of quality and so I typically look at the South African universities as a first choice.

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