UNIVERSIDAD CRISTIANA DEL SUR translated as SOUTHERN CHRISTIAN UNIVERSITY

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  1. laferney

    laferney Member

    Anyone know anything about this university? They have a Ph.D in Psychology (which can be completed in 2 years) an accelerated MSW ( 1 year) and several other distance study programs.


    http://www.scu.ac.cr/index.html

    "UNIVERSIDAD CRISTIANA DEL SUR translated as SOUTHERN CHRISTIAN UNIVERSITY and abbreviated as (SCU), is recognized by the Government of the Republic of Costa Rica, under Legal Certification No. (3-006-205431), Accredited and Authorized by the Ministry of Education, Consejo Nacional Educación Superior Universitaria Privada , translated as The National Council of Higher Education Private Universities and abbreviated as (CONESUP), via Government session No. 080-C-98 A fully accredited university listed in the with the UNESCO (United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization) International Association of Universities' World List of Universities, listed in the International Handbook of Universities and other internation al directories. Recognized Degrees 100% Online.
    And your degree will be exactly the same as the one you'd get on campus, but you won't have to put the rest of your life on hold to get it!
    Master of Business Administration (MBA)
    In International Management
    Master of Education (M.Ed.)
    Master of Public Health (M.P.H.)
    Master of Arts in Theology (M.A.)
    Master of Social Work (M.S.W.)
    With Emphasis in Psychology
    Doctor of Philosophy (PhD) in Management (Multidisciplinary)
    Organization Leadership
    Educational Management
    Pharmaceutical Management
    Health Management
    Doctor of Philosophy (PhD) in Psychology
    Doctor of Public Health (Dr.PH) "
     
  2. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    The UNESCO list has included degree mills in the past and is not a reliable resource. Moreover, I've been told by people in Costa Rica that none of the institutions that offer degrees at a distance are government approved. Perhaps that's changed, but I would make darn sure by speaking with CONESUP before taking this school at face value.

    -=Steve=-
     
  3. trevor D

    trevor D New Member

    "UNIVERSIDAD CRISTIANA DEL SUR translated as SOUTHERN CHRISTIAN UNIVERSITY and abbreviated as (SCU), is recognized by the Government of the Republic of Costa Rica, under Legal Certification No. (3-006-205431), Accredited and Authorized by the Ministry of Education, Consejo Nacional Educación Superior Universitaria Privada "

    They clearly are recognized by CONESUP
    and if I read their press release right, they have full articulation with Universidad Central de Nicaragua for their programs.
     
  4. bullet

    bullet New Member

    taxi

    Yikes ! Are we back to that ole argument? I thought by now it´s clear that what you think and what you know is two different things.

    They are accredited by CONUS and it´s up the univerisity to deem if you earned the degree, not the regulator.
     
  5. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Clearly because you know that independently, or clearly just because they say so? I still think the original poster would do well to call CONESUP and ask. It would take all of ten minutes and could save a lot of heartache.

    -=Steve=-
     
  6. triggersoft

    triggersoft New Member

    legit, from a German state perspective (source: www.anabin.de).
     
  7. trevor D

    trevor D New Member

    Steve,

    It is obvious because they are listed on the CONESUP government web site. They also have the correct URL which is only given to recognized educational institutions. .ac.cr in Costa Rica.:)
     
  8. BillDayson

    BillDayson New Member

    My understanding is that CONESUP accredits individual programs, not entire universities. On several occasions the past we've seen small Costa Rican schools getting CONESUP recognition for one or two local B&M programs, then selling somebody (often Americans) the right to offer more grandiose DL graduate programs in the school's name.

    That little Latin dance number can be pretty effective in getting doubtful programs included by implication under the UNESCO listing umbrella and onto other lists of legitimate universities and programs.

    That may be happening here as well. The CONESUP listing for Universidad Cristiana del Sur seems to show a couple of licenciatura (bachelors) level programs in business and theology.

    http://www.mep.go.cr/ucristianadelsur.html

    I agree pretty emphatically with Steve. When considering Costa Rican DL programs, it's critically important to verify the status of specific programs directly with CONESUP before sending anyone any money.
     
  9. bullet

    bullet New Member

    huh? Loss of rank?

    Since when did Licenciaturas become Bachelors?

    Licenciaturas are Masters Degree Level, not Bachelors.

    Licenciaturas in Medicine are DOCTORATE degrees.

    :D
     
  10. BlackBird

    BlackBird Member

    Re: huh? Loss of rank?

    I used to travel quite a bit to Central America. I also worked with many University students there. They would refer to their bachelors degrees as "licenciaturas."
     
  11. lchemist

    lchemist New Member

    Re: huh? Loss of rank?

    Well, the trend is to consider any first degree a Bachellor, in professional areas like medicine it may no be the case, for example an argentinean Medico is equivalent to a MD from the USA.

    Even in Argentina it is becoming more popular to shorten the programs' lengh and to create a Master's degree, for example the Universidad de Belgrano offers many 4 years licenciaturas even in the sciences. (i.e. http://www.ub.edu.ar/facultades/Exactas/default.htm)

    Traditionally a licenciatura involved work to a more advanced level similar to a Masters, as in the six years necessary for an Engineer degree, or the very theoretical five years (in reality seven or more years) in the sciences.
     
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  12. bullet

    bullet New Member

    Then what is that on my wall?

    You must have traveled to some remote places, because on my wall, my first degree reads BACHILLER EN CIENCIAS MEDICAS, then I got my Licenciado en Medicina y Cirugia and after one year of internship I got my Doctorado en Medicina y Cirugia.

    A Licenciatura is between 156 - 178 Credits, it is not a BACHELORS DEGREE.


     
  13. bullet

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    What is a Licentiate

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Licentiate


    Now, I went to the ULATINA website and looked at random at the Law Program. They offer 40 courses with 4 credits each for a total of 160 credits to earn their Bachelors Degree, SEE WHERE IT READS BACHILLER? Plain as MUD.

    www.ulatina.ac.cr

    From there click on PROGRAMAS (At the top of the page)

    Right hand side it reads CIENCIAS SOCIALES

    Right under CIENCIAS SOCIALES it reads DERECHO (Derecho means Law)

    Click on DERECHO

    Then click on PLANES DE ESTUDIOS (Course Programs) (Left hand side of the page)

    See it???????? It reads Programa de BACHILLERATO

    If you continue to SCROLLLLLLLLLL down you will come to the LICENCIATURA which is ANOTHER YEAR and another 64 credits plus a THESIS !

    That places a Licenciatura at around , oh I dunno, 224 credits WITHOUT A SINGLE CREDIT COUNTED TOWARDS THE THESIS.

    224 CREDITS
    224 CREDITS
    224 CREDITS

    Is not a Bachelors Degree............................
     
  14. BlackBird

    BlackBird Member

    Re: What is a Licentiate

    [color=dark red]Then, if you are a Puerto Rican, like I am, you grow up hearing that "Bachillerato" = a bachelors degree. But if, as a Rican, you travel to Central America, you get told "No... a "Bachillerato" equals a high school degree." Go figure right?[/color]

     
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  15. lchemist

    lchemist New Member

    Bullet

    Are you an MD, or a Lawyer, or both? In the thread Distance Law School you said

    Now you are saying

    Where did you study?

    As far as I know in Argentina the degree is Medico. You cannot hold the academic degree of Doctor en Medicina unless you do a dissertation.

    The degree structure bachiller, licenciado, doctor, does not seems to be normal in Argentina’s Medical Schools see http://www.iime.org/database/southam/argentina.htm

    Usually, you study for six or seven years and obtain the degree of Medico

    It is common to divide the academic offerings of argentinean universities in Graduate and posgraduate, first degrees, no matter their length, are considered graduate, this is true for Licenciaturas, or professional degrees such as Medico, Ingeniero, Contador or Abogado. At the postgraduate level you can obtain the Master’s or Doctoral degrees.
     
  16. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Re: Re: What is a Licentiate

    That sounds similar to the different meanings of "college" in British and American English. And in Spanish "colegio" is high school, isn't it?

    -=Steve=-
     
  17. bullet

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    I´m both. Didn´t u notice I am quick to the draw each time something is posted about medicine.

    I did not graduate in argentina, i am a half breed (argentinian-costa rican).

    My MD degree is not academic, it´s professional (I think)......, I did PRUEBAS DE GRADO and a TCU (TRABAJO COMUNITARIO UNIVERSITARIO), I did not do a THESIS. Other people i know do Thesis and not pruebas de grado

    Pruebas de grado are tests, usually there are four to get your bachelors degree and four to get your licenciatura. With a Bachelors degree in costa rica you can do , oh I dunno, maybe flip hotdogs, since a bachelor´s degree is worth NOTHING, at least this is my view, since most job interviews request one of two degrees:

    1) Bachillerato = High School Diploma

    2) Licenciatura = Above A Bachelors degree at the University level.

    In law school I went to "sabaticas" and sometimes "clases domingueras" ........., look at it as WEEKEND studies from 7 am - 6 pm................

    My law degree was earned from San Juan de la Cruz School of Law and from medical school Universidad Central School of Medicine.

    I know alot about costa rican education, because as a student I was a gopher at a law firm (Vindas, Vindas, Gonzalez, Cascante, Rios y Asociados) and they happened to be the law firm for two universities in Costa Rica.

    I don´t know where the idea of CONUS only approving programs and not the entire university comes from, but this is not accurate. I am not speaking here as a lawyer, only as a poster, but once a university is accredited in Costa Rica, the only reason it needs to approve specific programs is if it wants to qualify for the Civil Service. Costa Rica is a socialist country (free medicine and free education). The civil service is the largest employer in CR.

    For a real life example of what I am trying to say is this:

    I think most posters know of UNEM, right? Universidad Empresarial. If you look they offer many different types of doctorates, masters, etc.........and they have been doing this for years. If what they were doing is illegal they would be closed by now. If UNEM wanted to qualify their degree programs for the CRCS (Civil Service) then they go to conesup and have the programs certified for use, the only reason to go through the time and expense of doing this is if the market demanded it be so.

    What market is there in this country? There are 50 private universities in this country plus the government ones. Private companies do not pay you more for having a Masters of Doctorate, they will only pay you for either the High School diploma or for the Licenciatura, so most people get the Licenciatura and end of story........this is why most if not all universities approve the hell out of licenciaturas for CRCS use.

    Two months ago the Magister University made the news and was intervendio by CONUS, do you know why?

    Because the owners of Magister University, transfered the ownership of the university to a new corporation and did not let CONUS know of this. Go to La Nacion www.nacion.com
    Type in Magister University. Something as small and as simple as not letting CONESUP know. The owners did this becuase they allegedly owed some money to a private lender (I suppose they did not intend to pay back or who knows).
     
  18. bullet

    bullet New Member

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    Originally posted by BlackBird
    Then, if you are a Puerto Rican, like I am, you grow up hearing that "Bachillerato" = a bachelors degree. But if, as a Rican, you travel to Central America, you get told "No... a "Bachillerato" equals a high school degree." Go figure right?
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    Blackbird you are right. Here in CR we use

    Bachillerato for High School

    and

    Bachiller for Bachelors Degree.

    Although people are always saying to me "yo soy bachiller" (I´m a Bachelors), and I have to ask Colegio or Universitario????????????

    That sounds similar to the different meanings of "college" in British and American English. And in Spanish "colegio" is high school, isn't it?

    -=Steve=-

    Colegio can mean two different things (here in CR) at least.

    Colegio = High School

    Colegio = A College of Something, using the OXBRIDGE model that was introduced to us by the UACA UNIVERSITY 30 years ago.

    The UACA (Universidad Autonoma de Centro America) www.uaca.ac.cr brought to Costa Rica the OXBRIDGE model of education (colleges all attached to a University).
     
  19. laferney

    laferney Member

    Since noone seems to know for sure I've wriiten NACES, AACRAO, and the Costa Rican Embassy to see if I can find out the RA equivalency status in the US. If it is GAAP it looks as good as other foreign universities recommended here (as in So. Africa)-if it isn't -well noone will be surprised. If they write back I'll let you know.
     
  20. laferney

    laferney Member

    Bill and Steve were right

    Received this response from NACES :
    Your message was sent to me for a response.
    I have checked the website for the Ministerio de Educación Pública from Costa Rica (www.mep.go.cr) and have found that the Universidad Cristiana del Sur is a private institution authorized to offer Bachillerato y Licenciatura programs;
    however, I did not find any indication that this institution is authorized to
    offer master and doctoral programs; therefore, after this initial research, it would lead me to believe that the doctoral program from this university would not have recognition in Costa Rica.

    You probably could write to the Ministry and see if they could provide you with a list of institutions that are authorized to offer doctoral programs.

    I hope this information helps.
    From
    Past Chairperson of NACES
    And the response from AACRAO received basically says the same thing. I have not heard back from the Costa Rican Embassy yet.

    So it appears the doctoral and all masters programs are NOT GAAP.
     

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