United Nations to oversee US election

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Hi javila5400,

I do think you are sincere in your beliefs and are working to express them clearly. Could you avoid descriptions of the sentiments of the Jewish community, though, please? Your characterization of the man-God relationship in Judaism is off the mark. Also, the views of non-Israeli Jews towards Israel are varied, but a dominant theme (that I see) is a sense that Israel's policies are poorly thought through and, ultimately, harmful to its future success.

I suppose I would view modern Judaism as being closer to ethical humanism than to a God-centered religion.

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complex from descriptions

 

I read something interesting, if simplistic. It said that liberals and conservatives live with the same metaphor of the nation being a family. We have founding fathers; we are the sons and daughters of the revolution, brothers and sisters in arms, etc.
Except that we have two ideas on how a family should be run. Conservatives like the strong paternal model and liberals like the nuturing parent model. It's so imbedded we don't realize it. It may have some merit and would certainly help explain that complete disconnect we have between us.

LOL. I'm having a flash back. It's '71, Hendrix in the background, and Uncle Jack has had a few again.

 

The misconception that Naziism was right wing conveniently allows the labeling of anyone you disagree with on the right as a Fascist or Nazi.

Nazi Germany was not an era of unfettered capitalism. Many business leaders did support the Nazi Party, some because they feared the alternative. State control, but not ownership, of business was the order of the day. Economically it was kind of like Sweden with death camps.

 

As long as ballot access for third party candidates continues to be so stringent a viable third party appears out of reach right now.

It was hoped the Libertarian Party would be a major player in American politics. Yet, strict ballot access regulations, one-issue candidates, and candidates who are felons, nudists, and lunatics all contribute to the LP's not being taken seriously.

For a short period of time the Reform Party seemed to be making headway towards becoming a viable third party.

Ross Perot attracted a number of followers and votes, ballot access was acheived in all 50 states, Jesse Ventura won the Minnesota governor's race under its banner, etc.

Yet, the Party is now in shambles and has sent the Federal Elections Commission a formal "request for termination based on guidelines the FEC had established for the Reform Party." The party has less than $19 remaining in its bank account.

When the Natural Law Party was founded in 1992, a breath of fresh air entered the political area. The Natural Law Party was founded to “bring the light of science into politics.”

The founders were a group of educators, businessmen, and lawyers and its main leader and presidential candidate was Dr. John Hagelin, a world authority in the area of unified quantum field theories.

Although the party's main tenet was that most of the world's problems could be solved via TM, it did possess an intellectualism void in contemporary politics.

The Natural Law Party dissolved several month's ago.

The Green Party at one time was on the way to being a viable party. Now, it is factionalized between democratic socialists and a radical left fringe.

I am afraid third parties continue to come and go without becoming a real and lasting factor.

 

Doesn't this sound like the American version of the Democrats? It's like the title "conservative" has different connotations in our different countries.

*Disclaimer* This is simply an observation, and is not intended to diagnose or treat the ailments of American society.


Seriously, the old time conservatives sounded like the above quote. This is why I used to be a Democrat. It seems like there was a paradigm shift in thought in our two largest parties. Is this just me or has anyone else made that observation.

 

What do you think of the Constitution Party?

 

Very few Democrats and Republicans are true to their respective party's principles. It's mostly all about political expediency.

The Democrats used to be a party of social progress and strong national defense (JFK, Truman, LBJ, Scoop Jackson, Joe Lieberman, Zell Miller, Evan Bayh, et. al.)

The GOP used to be a party of economic conservatives and social progressives (civil rights) ala Lincoln, Dewey, Landon, Rockefeller, Romney, et. al .

Now one can find those in either party who could fit into either party.

Even the Libertarian Party is not purist. One can find Libertarians who support a National Sales Tax and yet taxation of any kind is considered anathema to libertarianism.

 

I read a story some years ago; the point was this: If you were away from the USA (or planet Earth in the case of the story) for say 15 years (I think it was 1960-1975) and then "redeposited" on the streets of a major US city, how long would it take to realize, just from the experience of living daily life, (without asking someone or reading about it) which party is in power? A long time. The Democrats and Republicans are supposed to have a profound ideological gap, yet day to day life in America is always essentially the same. Only technology really changes the look and feel of life in the USA--only rarely the political party. I think, by world standards, the ideological spectrum here (at least for 80% of Americans) is actually pretty narrow.

 

And that alone is reason enough for me, and many others who fear unbridaled police authority ala John Ashcroft, to vote for John Kerry.

World history should tell us what we get when we have a politicized police force that believes that dissent is akin to terrorism.

 

Re: Re: United Nations to oversee US election

ROTFLMAO!!!!

 

Re: Re: United Nations to oversee US election

Yea, the pro-Kerry posts show the "Johnnie Walker" wisdom is running high!

 

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Originally posted by Bruce


Every street cop I work with loves President Bush & despises John Kerry.


And that alone is reason enough for me, and many others who fear unbridaled police authority ala John Ashcroft, to vote for John Kerry.

World history should tell us what we get when we have a politicized police force that believes that dissent is akin to terrorism.

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AMEN FOR THE AGES!
John Ashcroft must be the most frightening man in high level American Politics today. I would much rather take my chances with the terrorists AND the Mafia than Ashcroft/Ridge style law and order!

 

The Constitution Party is too far to the right for me. It was founded by Howard Phillips to run Pat Buchanan for President.

The party is chock full of stalwarts from various failed far right third parties (Populist, American, American Independent, the old Constitution Party of the '80's, etc.).

Like all political parties, there are redeeming features in the Party's platform but not enough to earn my support or endorsement.

 

Ashcroft is a horrible AG. However, America's police force is less unbridaled today than ever in the history of American law enforcement!

Is it perfect? No! Can it be better? Yes! Should many police departments be reformed? Of course!

What pseudo liberals fail to realize is that whenever a nation is under threat, some suspension of civil liberties is a necessity to protect the citizens.

The question then becomes, would we be willing to surrender some of our rights, temporarily, to remain free?

On the other hand, I have yet found anyone who can tell me what civil liberties they have lost because of John Ashcroft!

I haven't lost any!

 

Just keep this in mind, Carl;

A society that makes enemies with its police had better make friends with its criminals.

 

So long as you keep this in mind, Bruce:

A government that makes enemies of its citizens had better be prepared for a changing of the guard....

 

May I chime in?

Timothy McVey was a citizen of the U.S. So were KKK members who murdered blacks.

I guess the government made them enemies.

 

If the government ever makes enemies with its citizens, I'll keep that in mind.

Cutting my taxes and dismantling terrorist networks certainly hasn't made me an enemy of this government.

 

Hmmm....

Someone is a fan of Bill Oreilly's!

 

Bullwinkle,

Welcome to the site

Actually, no.. I was a fan of Michael Moore until I saw "Bowling for Columbine" and realized he was the leftist version of the NAZI minister of propaganda.