UK Validation

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  1. GregWatts

    GregWatts Member

    Looking at a degree that is "validated" by a "middle tear" UK Chartered Uni.

    Not that familiar with the concept... thoughts?
     
  2. tadj

    tadj Member

    Could you be a bit more specific? You're looking to obtain a degree (what field?), or looking at someone else's degree and wondering about the validation concept?
     
  3. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member


    In recent years a lot of these turned out to be junk. The University of Wales system validated lots of weird little places of questionable quality. Ultimately what happened is that the faculty came toa point where they did not want to be associated with these other "schools" and caused a fuss. In the end Wales dropped them all and broke up into the current formation.
     
  4. tadj

    tadj Member

    Greg,

    You would need to supply the website of the school, which claims to have such a validation agreement. As Kizmet pointed out, a lot of the schools have been embroiled in controversies. You would need to evaluate such agreements on a case by case basis. It's not always easy, especially with validation agreements between schools located in different countries. Sometimes, you need to find out more about the legal situation. I am not a legal expert (thanks for the earlier suggestion, Kizmet ;-) It's a bit easier to check validation agreements between a school/institute and a university operating within the same country.
     
  5. Stewart81

    Stewart81 New Member

    This is a form of UK agreement that while still in existence has become moribund generally in new agreements. Here a validated award is one designed and delivered by a college that lacks degree awarding powers but signed off by a university as of standard and officially a degree of the University. It's not a dual award always but a bit of a way for certain needs to be met by specialist or smaller institutions to award niche degrees where they've the expertise and resources but may not have sufficient students to apply themselves.

    In recent years dual awards or external teaching to another institutions syllabus (New College of the Humanities teaching London External is the most high profile) has returned more. This enables the senior institution to covers its own back in terms of quality assurance for the QAA. Not to say a validated degree isn't legit, it is legally recognised and the awarding body has full UK degree powers (usually Act of Parliament these days rather than Royal Charter) so you would receive a proper degree. Most of the places that were playing loose and fast are long gone and no one really puts their neck on the line. I've been discussing this with four university external partnership teams lately and all are very hesitant to do so, they prefer to develop a joint qualification.
     
  6. GregWatts

    GregWatts Member

    Received some more info. A unusual program offered via adjuncts, many with full time gig at Universities. The degree is granted by Liverpool John Moores.
     
  7. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

    maybe you'd like to provide a link. or maybe not
     
  8. GregWatts

    GregWatts Member

    Kizmet,

    Can't be too many degrees validated by LJM I have no vested interest at this point but had chance to meet a professor from Leeds Becket who is involved. Positive impression.
     
  9. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

    OK then. If you have no interest in a thread that you started then I guess I'm out.
     
  10. GregWatts

    GregWatts Member

    To quote Steve.... Bahahahahaha

    If I had no interest, I would not have posted the question. It is a somewhat unique question, so I understand if it is unfamiliar.
     
  11. Pappas

    Pappas Member

    Actually there are...so no link (Martini) no party ;) and its LJMU for the record...
     
  12. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    What does it mean the degree validated by a university?

    I understand that XYZ provider may not have degree-awarding status as college or university etc.
    So are they becoming outsourcing extension of the university that has degree-granting authority and recognition?
    In the final result, what is graduating student getting?
     
  13. GregWatts

    GregWatts Member

    That was my question. In this situation (I am relying on reps, have not confirmed) there is a school that wants to offer degrees but don't have degree granting authority. A proper uni steps in, validates tbe program and then grants the degree...presumably paying the uni for the bother.

    Not sure what, if any, downside.
     
  14. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    The downside is when a student drops out of the program or halts the program. Unless the validation in a class by class by taking examinations of the validating university one may find that they have unrecognized/unaccredited education credits.
    In some cases there is an exit point such as some of the providers do, they award diploma for completion each year or module of the program with OfQual accredited credit.
    So there are some transfer options and industry recognition for classes taken. Level 4 & 5 diplomae in management can be used to enter the year 2 or final year at another university bachelors degree.
     

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