Trump is the Perfect Sore Loser

Discussion in 'Political Discussions' started by Bill Huffman, Nov 7, 2020.

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  1. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Senator Cruz knows this of course. This is just a ploy to earn the support of Trump's Base. He's lying to them in a way.
     
  2. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    they are used to being lied to and will do their very best to believe all Trump lies despite the evidence
     
  3. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    I wonder about that. He seems to be representing himself as the one who will deliver the election to Trump. What will they think of him when he fails?
     
  4. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Remember Beto gave him a run for his money last time.
     
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  5. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Its funny how for you guys only Republicans are lying but Democrats are saints.
    Maybe this will find a judge who will give it a consideration?

     
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  6. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    GOP Congressman-elect Burgess Owens of Utah on Thursday said that he will support the challenge to President-elect Joe Biden's presidential victory on the House floor and contended that there was "no question" that President Donald Trump was reelected to a second term.

    After all Dem's challenged Trumps presidency, be it one sided Impeachment over a phone call.
    And Adam S who maintained he had evidence that he never had.
     
  7. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I will give credit where credit is due. For example, this thread is titled "Trump is the Perfect Sore Loser". This was my prediction and I believe it has proven true. I don't see how Trump could be a bigger sore loser than he has already proven to be.

    Getting back to Lerner's statement, Trump is also very good at lying. He has had as much practice as any other pathological liar in this world. But what makes Trump so successful at lying is that he forces others to support and repeat his lies. We've never seen anything like this in politics before, not in my lifetime and I'm an old retired fart. He gets people to not counter his lies by viciously attacking and even destroying any politician that dares to try to correct one of his lies. He gets Fox News to support his lies by having personal contacts at Fox fostering those and spending lots of time promoting them like Fox and Friends and Hannity. This helps their careers. So they are all in. While at the same time viciously attacking Fox and promoting OAN and Newsmax when that suits his purpose. This has all combined to give him unprecedented control over at least the media on the right over the past four years. So not only is Trump a super sore loser he is a super good liar. Those Trump tactics do not work very well for Trump with politicians and media on the left or center. So they are more much likely to tell the truth and not parrot Trump lies.

    So to directly address Lerner's statement, no of course the Democrats are not saints. But, when a Democrat or previous Republican President told a lie both the left and right media would jump down their throats. It was rare for them to ever tell that same lie again. This is not the case with Trump. Also, when a party doesn't have control of the White House the party leadership is much more splintered and trying to coordinate a lie is very difficult in that environment. So, Lerner, don't delude yourself into thinking that Democrats live in the same level of fantasy and detachment from reality that Trump cult supporters do.
     
  8. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    I never said Biden is a Saint. In fact, I said "I voted for Harris." But the thing is, you aren't entitled to make up your own "facts". Objective reality is that Biden Harris won. There was no widespread fraud. There just wasn't.
     
  9. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Bill, Nosborne48

    The big difference is no other president , no Nixon or any other president was so badly treated/mistreated then president Trump.
    This something that I seen and heard. I seen attack one after another non stop for 4 years.
    So this makes a huge difference.
    In my humble and possibly flaw view about the 40 to 60 lawsuits, it appears that no one has the guts say- enough- I will make a statement/ruling here and not defer.
    Jan 6th is possibly going to show some electors with guts. Aren't you going to show the S&G laws...
    So courts or judges didn't conspire it appears they just don't want to call the elections, fear factor? Some reports published are to serious to be ignored. I think that out of 40 to 60 lawsuits some, I can't put a # on it, maybe few or more were fully justified with good evidence.
    Time will show.
     
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  10. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    What does that mean to you, really?
     
  11. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    In my view the election stealing by the left began in 2016 and all the ugly attacks on president Trump doing everything possible to sabotage his presidency.
    So saying that it may justify President Trump in his actions now as long as they are LEGAL and Constitutional.
    That's what it means to me. Dem's don't deserve any concessions from president Trump.
    I don't want any violence and condemn any such acts but Dems were playing hard ball all the 4 years and there was no fairness in it. I think with the time we will know more about the irregularities in 2020 elections.
    I personally have no influence, but I think I understand why Trump is doing what he is doing.
    And its not what Bill is saying, about money.
    Its simply President Trump is a person who in the "ring" will be swinging till the end.
    The country deserves peaceful transition.
     
    Last edited: Jan 4, 2021
  12. SpoonyNix

    SpoonyNix Active Member

    Can you believe it's been almost five?! It's been fascinating to watch. We can only guess what it will morph into, but it will surely be grotesque.
     
  13. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Well, winning an election isn't really a matter of "deserving". It's democracy in action and Trump lost.
     
  14. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    The deserving is meant by the type of transition. Dem's don't deserve graceful transition.
    When grace and respect are non exiting during the years, why are left expecting it in return? There was no "love" between the sides.
    As Hillary advised Biden to not concede, the same is done by Trump.
    On the bigger picture on national level for the good of the nation I would like to see more grace and respect from all the parties, but who an I?
     
  15. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    But the purpose of government is not to gratify the ego of one man but to serve to best interests of the people. Trump has served the country's best interests at times but he isn't doing so now by telling stupid lies about fraud and putting illegal pressure on election officials to change the fact that he lost fair and square.
     
  16. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Claiming that the president is a Russian spy and many other awful accusations and actions against the president are not and did not serve the best interests of the people.
    Applying pressure on elections officials is at times expected as long as its legal. Election officials are people and some are not without a flaw just like in any post or job.
    The question is what type of pressure and when it becomes illegal?
     
  17. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Yes but none of that matters because Trump lost in a free and fair election.
     
  18. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Paraphrasing Trump's own words, Trump could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and Lerner would still support him.
     
  19. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Bill,

    I would support Trump if he shot someone on Fifth Avenue in self defense and his life was in danger.
    What I don't know is if you would be happy if the attacker was successful?
     
  20. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Free yes, fair most likely yes but time will show.
     

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