Trump immunity decision; about what you'd expect

Discussion in 'Political Discussions' started by nosborne48, Jul 1, 2024.

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  1. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    That's not a fair standard. When there is an obvious conflict of interest, that's all that matters. Everything is then interpreted through that lens. The burden of proof shifts accordingly. Under such circumstances, the judge would have to clearly demonstrate that she is NOT biased towards the defendant. Has she done ANYTHING that indicates that? No. Every single action she's taken has demonstrated her bias towards the defendant--the one who appointed her to the bench. She is not entitled to the benefit of the doubt, and still she succeeds in smashing any doubt at all.
     
  2. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    What I'm trying to say is, there is no obvious conflict of interest. Trump can't fire her, can't discipline her, can't promote her, has no known financial or business relationship with her. You seem to be saying the Judge will favor Tump out of, what, gratitude? Unlikely since whatever she does will be examined minutely by the Court of Appeals. Besides, she might even be correct!
     
  3. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Appeal will take time, it results will be after Nov 2024?
     
  4. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    I don't think the presence of the 11th Circuit has any bearing on her actions--it hasn't yet.

    Gratitude? Perhaps. But there are other emotions available as well, including loyalty.

    As a former military officer, you know about the need for public officials to avoid even the appearance of bias. Has Cannon done this?

    Let's say we were to draw a hypothetical situation where a judge was "in the tank" for the defendant--for whatever reason. What actions would that judge then take? Bringing it back to this situation, has Judge Cannon taken ANY actions that would belie the assertion that she's in the tank for Trump? In other words, every action she takes supports the presumption that she's biased towards him. And given that she was appointed by him, she has a responsibility to prevent the appearance of bias. Instead, she acts in every way the opposite.

    No, her lifetime appointment and difficulty of removing her ought to make her immune to pressures in this case. But there's more to it than that, as she is showing us. She has a place in her circle of friends, colleagues, associates, etc. And she has future prospects that could be affected by her actions in this case. She is not in some protective bubble.

    IIRC, Republicans lost their collective minds when they thought the prosecutor in the E. Jean Carroll case had some brief working relationship with the judge in the case decades ago. (She didn't, it turned out.) But this is okay? Maybe I don't know where the fuzzy boundary should be drawn--where a judge should automatically recuse due to the potential for conflict of interest (or appearance of it). But I do know it is far and away from presiding over a case where the defendant is the one who appointed you to your job, an d your future career prospects are on the line.
     
  5. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    If you're going to claim actual bias, that's an entirely different thing. But have you read the motions, responses, and decisions? Have you looked at the transcripts of the hearings? Did you read J. Thomas' dissent? Can you honestly say that the trial Judge is wrong?

    I am beating this horse because I am disturbed to see you adopt the same attitude that the MAGA crowd routinely adopts; the result isn't what I want so the Judge is corrupt and the system is rigged.

    Maybe she is and it is but probably not.
     
  6. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    A Judge doesent have to be corrupt, but can be conservative vs liberal to the way the interpretation of law is performed.
    Not politically but methodically.
     
  7. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    This assessment is so messed up I can't even address it. So, I won't.

    Simply put, I think it is absurd that any judge preside over a case where he/she is personally involved with the defendant. That Trump nominated her to the bench meets that criterion.
     
  8. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Did you object to all those Trump appointed Judges hearing all those election challenges? I don't recall hearing it.
     
  9. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    In any event, what you and I think doesn't matter. Its up to the appeals panel now.
     
  10. Garp

    Garp Well-Known Member

    Thanks for your insight as an attorney.
     
  11. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Appeals panel most likely to be after November.
     

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