Trump administration to cancel student visas of pro-Palestinian protesters

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  1. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

  2. NotJoeBiden

    NotJoeBiden Active Member

    So what, are college students now that powerful that their protests changed the course of elections? Democrats needed no help losing this last election.
     
  3. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    The irony is that Harris would have been better for Palestinians than Trump. At least that's what I believe.
     
  4. SnafuRacer

    SnafuRacer Active Member

    Not really. Dems were straddling the fence in their messaging between different populations in different states. Michigan for example had some different ads than NJ....and on and on.
    Plus, their whole strategy on foreign policy was one-sided for the whole time, as usual.
     
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  5. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    I don't think Trump can do it. He's punishing the content of political speech. The 1st amendment applies to everyonr.
     
  6. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I think that the article linked by Steve and statements by Trump about "clearing" Gaza pretty much prove that Trump is worse for Palestinians than Harris would have been.

     
  7. SnafuRacer

    SnafuRacer Active Member

    He's adopting talking points as fed to him when he "made promises" towards that cease fire. Threats were for TV consumption and backroom deals would have involved more stuff, hence the type of people he assigned for his Middle East foreign policy.
     
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  8. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Of course, he's talking about "clearing Gaza". That's the inevitable final act of every successful genocide.
     
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  9. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    My understanding is that visa cancellations are targeted at supporters of Hamas, a designated terrorist organization, and not necessarily at those who are pro-Palestinian
    This is a welcome move, as these individuals are often aligned with anti-American and anti-Western viiews. Violant agitators.
     
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  10. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Foreign students on visa? Not Immigrants.
    Not sure what rights they have when they vandalized University and other property, therethened US students(Jews) and reserved to violence etc, Supporting Terrorist organization.
     
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  11. SnafuRacer

    SnafuRacer Active Member

    Thanks for regurgitating Fox News talking points.
     
  12. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    The objection from the Trump Cult isn't that the protesters were political, but rather that they were being political in a way the regime doesn't approve of.
     
  13. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    They should not be creating an uproar to support a terrorist organization.
    Peaceful protest means expressing your views in a lawful and respectful manner, such as walking a picket line. A riot, on the other hand, is an act of destruction—resorting to vandalism and violence when attention isn’t enough, ultimately harming the principles of a liberal democracy.
     
  14. SnafuRacer

    SnafuRacer Active Member

    Let me clarify some points of yours from my own understanding and the general knowledge of what actually happened and is happening, as opposed to what is being pushed in some spheres:
    - The majority are/were supporting the wanton killing and televised oppression and genocide of a people that started more than 80 years ago.
    - The majority were composed of people of all faiths and walks of life, of international and US students, faculty, and others.
    - The majority started their actions in peace and orderly civil "disobedience", until the university and local authorities would generally send the police and other disruptors would get involved to show news clips for mass consumption that it was not peaceful.
    - The majority of them didn't seek a riot in place of peaceful protest.
    - Has there been some exaggerations? "Hind Hall" and the like? perhaps. But nothing would compare what has been and is being perpetrated against a people on the basis of their ethnicity, religion, historical legacy and so forth.
    and on and on....
     
  15. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I have a different opinion.
    The media and hostile groups on campuses portrayal of pro-Hamas rioters is based on a false narrative being pushed by jihadist groups. This distortion of facts aims to mislead the public and shift focus away from the reality of the situation.
    One of the most dangerous falsehoods being circulated is the claim of a genocide against Palestinians, a narrative that has been strategically fostered by the PLO and supported by Soviet-era KGB propaganda. In reality, what we are witnessing is a continuation of Palestinian terror tactics, which are often masked as a fight for 'freedom.' The reality is that these actions are driven by radical ideologies seeking to destabilize the region, rather than a genuine struggle for peace or sovereignty.
    This orchestrated narrative falsely paints Israel as the aggressor, while ignoring the years of violence and terrorism committed by Hamas and other militant groups against both Israelis and moderate Palestinians. Understanding the true history and context behind these narratives is crucial for anyone trying to make sense of the ongoing conflict.
     
  16. SnafuRacer

    SnafuRacer Active Member

    :emoji_expressionless::emoji_expressionless::emoji_expressionless: Thank you for reminding me why it's useless to engage in discussions like this!
     
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  17. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I just seen some news on the net.
    Columbia University
    student on a visa, has been officially entered
    into the deportation database under
    EO targeting campus antisemitism,.
    He celebrated the October 7 Hamas
    massacre, praised terrorist Dalal Mughrabi,
    and glorified violent attacks on Jews.
    His F-1 visa is now flagged for
    revocation, and ICE is preparing removal
    proceedings.
     
  18. NotJoeBiden

    NotJoeBiden Active Member

    I wish the government held this same animosity towards Nazis.
     
  19. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Nearly three dozen U.S. citizens were murdered when Hamas terrorists attacked Israel on Oct 7th.
    A spokesperson for the State Department confirmed that 35 Americans were killed in the attacks.
    On Oct 16th, 2023
    "At this time, we can confirm the deaths of 35 U.S. citizens who were killed in the October 7 attacks," the spokesperson said, adding that an additional U.S. citizen died as a result of continued violence after the attacks.
    Among the murdered Americans are students who studied in Israel - American student Hayim Katsman, a North Jersey native, 20-year-old Itay Glisko, an American and Daniel Ben-Senior, 34, was shot and killed as she was attending the music festival, where Hamas terrorists killed at least 260 civilians, according to the New York Times. Adrienne Neta, 66 a nurse. And many more.
    A few weeks ago the status was - of the nearly 100 hostages still held in Gaza after being taken in an attack by Hamas-led militants on Oct. 7, 2023, seven are U.S. citizens.
     
  20. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I think there's both some good and some bad on both sides. For example, most of the college protests were peaceful and well intentioned. The news media likes to emphasis any physical confrontations or extreme assertions. So the media would, for example, focus on ill informed protestors that thought that Hamas was the good guys. Hamas is evil. What Hamas did on October 7 was evil. Hamas believes that Israel should be destroyed. Now Israel has every right to defend themselves after the October 7 Hamas attack but Netanyahu's government is radical far-right zealots that a good part of them wants to kill and chase all Palestinians out of Gaza. What Israel did in Gaza was disgusting genocide. This was the main thing driving the college protests. The genocide in Gaza has been condemned as such by the UN and other groups and countries. This doesn't mean that Israel is bad. It means that Israel did some bad things. To me it means that Netanyahu and his government are bad. A more regular main stream government in Israel would be much better.
     
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