Trump administration ‘means business’ on college crackdown: Linda McMahon

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  1. NotJoeBiden

    NotJoeBiden Active Member

    Fine, Trump supporters are not all bad. Now can we get back to the discussion on how constitutional rights are being stripped away from students for their political opinions.

    We have actual terrorist groups in the US, but Trump is focusing on political dissenters by claiming they are connected to terrorists.
     
  2. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    We definitely do have actual terrorist groups in the US. The FBI has said so. The FBI has said that by far the most dangerous terrorist groups in the USA are right wing terrorist groups. Trump is going after those guys. Actually a more accurate description is that Trump is courting those guys. He wants them to mobilize on his command like they did January 6.

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    A 2017 report by the U.S. Government Accountability Office found that of the 85 deadly extremist incidents since 9/11, far right-wing extremist groups were responsible for 73%, while radical Islamist extremists were responsible for 27%. The total number of deaths caused by each group was about the same, though 41% of the deaths attributable to radical Islamists occurred in a single event — the 2016 Orlando nightclub shooting in which 49 people were killed by a lone gunman. No deaths were attributed to left-wing groups.[19][20][21]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_terrorism_in_the_United_States
    https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/news/testimony/the-terrorist-threat-confronting-the-united-states
     
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  3. Pugbelly2

    Pugbelly2 Active Member

    Sometimes our hate for another can be so intense that it blinds us to reality. All we see is bad. All we see is malice. We aren't even capable of seeing the good, or the effort, because our disdain is too deep. I politely suggest that you might fall into this category. You hate Trump so much that you even lash out at people like me who are not Trump supporters. You lash out at anyone that has an opposing view from your own, name equating what you view as "support" to endorsing the KKK and Proud Boys. With all due respect, your rage and indignation are causing you to make far reaching, overly broad, prejudicial attacks on people you don't even know. Debating with this type of person is not productive because they are completely closed to any view opposite to their own. I love debating all kinds of topics with all kinds of people with lots of different views, but I only do so if we both approach the table with enough humility to remain open. That's how we learn and grow I don't believe that's the case in this instance. Have a good day, sir.
     
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  4. jonlevy

    jonlevy Active Member

    Hopefully, the Supreme Court decision in Texas v. Johnson will be overturned. Disruptive "speech" like flag burning has no place on campuses. Likewise, Section 230 of the Communication Decency Act which absolves social media platforms from liability for user content needs to be repealed.
     
  5. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    We should pretend that flag burning isn't a protected form of political expression because it hurts conservatives' feelings. :(
     
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  6. jonlevy

    jonlevy Active Member

    In most countries it a crime for obvious reasons - Italy, France, Germany, Spain, Brazil, Mexico etc. The pre 911 SCOTUS 5-4 decision that flag burning is just some harmless form of speech does not reflect the current political realities. But if Democrats want to campaign on that issue that everyone should be able to burn the flag in public, sounds like a winner to me.
     
  7. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Yes, sadly, sometimes individual liberty is unpopular, and it's a shame that that's so notably the case among conservatives these days.
     
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  8. NotJoeBiden

    NotJoeBiden Active Member

    If you don’t want to burn a flag then don't burn a flag. For being the party of small government and civil liberties, conservatives sure do like to roll back rights of others.
     
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  9. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Also interesting to see "But they do it in other countries!" as an excuse. I remember when conservatives thought the US was supposed to be the best.
     
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  10. NotJoeBiden

    NotJoeBiden Active Member

    Meanwhile they defile the US flag code with their “America” merch while complaining about the hypothetical of people defiling the flag. I’ve come to realize every accusation is just an admission at this point.
     
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  11. Pugbelly2

    Pugbelly2 Active Member

    This is going to be unpopular, but individual liberties should never be more important that collective liberties. In other words, the rights of the one are never more important than the safety a d security of the many. Just my opinion.
     
  12. Michael Burgos

    Michael Burgos Well-Known Member

    Jeremy Bentham lives!
     
  13. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Remember we're talking about flag burning as a form of political expression. Are you seriously suggesting that conservatives have so little self-control that for someone to burn a flag in protest risks the safety and security of many?
     
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  14. Pugbelly2

    Pugbelly2 Active Member

  15. Pugbelly2

    Pugbelly2 Active Member

    Yes.
     
  16. jonlevy

    jonlevy Active Member

    We are talking post 911, that 5-4 decision supporting flag desecration is way out of line with current values.
     
  17. NotJoeBiden

    NotJoeBiden Active Member

    Speak for yourself.
     
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  18. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    How about if I draw a flag on a piece of paper and then burn that paper. Is this risking the safety and security of some folks? If it is then how about if I just imagine that I draw a flag on a piece of paper and then burn it. Will that risk the safety and security of some folks? Also, what if I drew a teeny tiny flag on a teeny tiny piece of paper and then burned it. Will that risk the safety and security of some folks? How about this flag?
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  19. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Conservative values, perhaps, but not American values.
     
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  20. ArielB

    ArielB Active Member

    I'm a liberal, but I have mixed feelings about this. Many of these pro-Palestinian protests crossed the line into pro-Hamas, and protestors were terrorizing Jewish students on campuses including violence in a few cases, and the colleges were mostly unwilling to do anything about it. However, I am definitely uncomfortable with deporting people unless they've committed actual crimes.
     

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