Toxic question, I guess, but WCTD?

Discussion in 'Political Discussions' started by nosborne48, Aug 10, 2024.

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  1. Jonathan Whatley

    Jonathan Whatley Well-Known Member

    Both parties take their base demographics for granted. Supporters of both parties police base demographics who stray. The idea that a "plantation" is a uniquely Democratic and minority phenomena is overplayed. There's no shortage of evidence of MAGA supporters insulting open Democrats, liberals, and insufficiently MAGA conservatives! That keeps people in MAGA country and MAGA-heavy circles in line. Colin Powell received remarkably warm bipartisan respect throughout his life. I can't think of any higher polling Republican in a federal political position in the Bush II era among Democratic respondents.
     
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  2. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I believe that the best detectors of racism are minorities. They live it and so are most familiar with it. Republicans are much more prone to racism than Democrats. This has been the case since the equal rights acts were passed in 1964 and 1968. Prior to that Racists were more prone to be Democrats. That is also when my racist parents started their migration from being Democrats to being Republican. Now it is true that Trump has seized onto the racists with both hands and made this difference even more pronounced.

    Anyway for all these reasons when Republicans say things like that I find it amusing.
     
  3. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    The Mexican Americans in Texas do not identify with Ted Cruz, who is half Cuban, half non-Hispanic White. They see him as detached from his Hispanic heritage, especially with the public name he goes by. His real first name is Rafael. He uses the nickname version of his middle name.

    Hispanics have what they call potatoes or coconuts, and Black people have what they call oreos. These are self-hating people of color who do more to advantage White people than their own people.

    One way to not get the Black vote is to basically call us too stupid to not know why we vote a certain way and to tell us that we're still slaves on a plantation. Those racist remarks are exactly why 85% to 90% of Black Americans do not vote for Republicans. Over half of Black Americans live in red states. They certainly know why they vote a certain way.
     
  4. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    TX has its differences, Dallas vs Huston, vs Austin, San Antonio etc.
    TX has lots of success attracting business.
    Companies that left California due to horrible and worsening conditions to do business there, are flourishing in TX.
    Like every state there are challenges.
    Many Hispanics support GOP in TX, but much lover % support former president Mr T.
     
  5. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    The success in Texas is not spread evenly. Ironically, most of the wealth is concentrated in the large metro areas that lean blue. The South has the worst social mobility. South Texas, which is overwhelmingly Hispanic, is poor.
     
  6. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    El Paso, a city I dearly love, is amazingly NOT Texan. Really, Austin, you guys should just give the place to us. C'mon, now. It's not like "real" Texas likes ELP or anything.

    Hm. "Sudeten New Mexico"? Naw, too much baggage.
     
  7. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    In fact, why don't you just hand over the Trans Pecos? You'd never miss it!
     
  8. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I'm sure sanantone knows this so I'm speaking to others here. Don't think that the 85% to 90% of Black Americans voting Democrat means that Black Americans are 85% to 90% liberal leaning. Many vote Democrat even though they are conservative because they know that the Republican party holds many racist views.
     
  9. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Reagan wouldn't recognize today's GOP, and the Bush family hates Trump for good reason for what he's turned their party into.

    Also, note that I said "so many" and not "all".
     
  10. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    And Ted Cruz is a CANADIAN.
     
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  11. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    My guess is that Republicans would get about a third of the Black vote if it weren't for the Southern Strategy and recruiting all the racists from the Democratic Party.

    After Reconstruction, the few Black people who could manage to vote broke their loyalty to the Republican Party. Black people were only Republicans after the Civil War because it was the only major party that would accept them. As time went on, Black people realized that Republicans and Democrats were equally racist, so they migrated to the party they believed better represented the poor. In the end, the Republicans had abandoned them and didn't do much about Jim Crow and the Black Codes. To begin with, not all Republicans were abolitionists, Lincoln only freed the slaves as a war strategy, and Lincoln was racist.

    Many people mistakenly believe that Black people became Democrats because of LBJ; they were leaning toward Democrats many years prior to LBJ. It became easier to support Democrats when the number of northern Democrats increased. The Democratic Party used to be somewhat of a regional party getting most of its support from the South. I see the Republican Party going down the same path. By appeasing racists in the South and the middle of the country and kicking out almost every Republican who doesn't fall in line with the MAGA cult, they're turning themselves into a regional party.

    https://artsci.washington.edu/news/2023-10/black-republicans-dramatic-shift
     
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  12. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Neither major party was willing to do something, anything, about securing the most basic civil rights for Black Americans. The Republicans because they ceased to care after 1872 and the Democrats because they were the party ofWhite Supremacy and always had been. Even FDR took a "not now" approach. Truman finally did things when he had absolutely no choice.
     
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  13. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Still, when at last, 100 YEARS after the passage of the Civil War Amendments, the federal government took action, it WAS a Democratic Senate, House, and President that acted and it has been Republicans who have fought so hard to maintain White Supremacy. So there's that history anyway.
     

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