Touro Vs NCU

Touro feelings

Steve:

Since you are probably the most experienced with TUI. Could you elaborate on your first hand experiences with the DL program of the college. Your thoughts on TUI acceptance in the Academic world would be helpful to us undecided on it's program because of acceptance to other academic faculty jobs. I appreciate your help.

Sincerely

Ed

 

Steve, I agree with almost everything you have said. The only part I di not agree with is if a school goes through the fees and process of getting accredited, they obviously think it is value added, and would publish it.

Also, AACSB I think is crucial in CA for a teaching position. All of the State and UC schools require full time professors to be graduates of an AACSB accredited school. Only 18% of schools in Business are AACSB accredited, and I think it does show quality by the standards they hold their schools to.

I think that is why TUI is going for accreditation. I hope they receive it in the near future.

 

GMAT as Admission Requirement

Soon you will see GMAT as part of admission requirement to get accepted into Touro.

 

Re: GMAT as Admission Requirement

Possible, but, after skimming through the AACSB standards, I didn't see where the GMAT was =specifically= required for admission (although most AACSB accredited schools seem to require it).

Anyway, I believe exceptions can be made in the case of professional licensure, LSAT scores, et al. Further, if it's anything like some AACSB accredited schools that require the GMAT, it will probably be some "joke formula" where they multiply your undergrad (or grad) GPA times, say, 200, subtract the resulting figure from 1000 and that becomes the minimum acceptable GMAT score.

I spoke with someone in admissions at UW-Whitewater's online MBA program who stated that the GMAT was absolutely required.......ZERO exceptions (i.e. they don't care if you've got a law degree, medical degree, and 38 various Master's; you still MUST take the GMAT). The joke part is she said the minimum score for admission, in my case, would probably be based on my law school GPA. So, basically, for admission to that program, I could quite literally choose letter "D" for every answer and still get the minimum score (if not higher). Sheesh!

 

question

as far as I can tell, there aren't very many schools that are totally online or DL with no residency that are AACSB acc. that offer an MBA.

Are there any such schools (perhaps Nova) that have been in the candidacy stage for some time, that are the most likely to achieve AACSB accreditation?

Chris

 

Re: question

Just to cough up a few on the site:

CSUDH
Florida Gulf Coast U
Worcester Poly

I didn't know Nova was in candidacy (at least it's not listed on the AACSB site as a candidate).

 

Homer - Where did you find that list, all that you named only have Master's programs, but if you got it off a site, I would like to bookmark it for updates.

 

Re: question

Nova looked at AACSB when their new dean came to campus several years ago. They determined that they can't go AACSB due to the 50% full-timer rule that AACSB uses. NSU can't make economic sense of doing that with a tuition driven DL oriented program.

I suspect that any purely DL program will run into the same situation. I'm interested to see how Touro fares. If they are successful - perhaps NSU and others will have to rethink the matter.

As for schools that are DL and AACSB (such as Duke, Indiana, UM Dearborn, etc.), the only one's I know of have a traditional on-ground program and are well funded. Come to think of it, with the exception of Duke, these are state schools to boot. Note too that Duke's price is very high ($30k per year or so).

Regards - Andy

 

Kristie: Directly from the AACSB web site. It's from their list of schools in candidacy (link below).

http://www.aacsb.edu/General/InstLists.asp?lid=8

 

Homer - Thanks for the link. I actually went through ALL of them (about 60) - about 10 of them were classified by AACSB as having a doctoral program. I went to the websites, and only found one that actually had one. It is not distance.

I wish I could get it 10% correct and have such demand, my Professors wouldn't stand for such a low performance..... how frustrating.

 

Kristie: I sincerely doubt you're going to find a AACSB accredited school with a 100% DL PhD program; there just doesn't seem to be any such beast.

I'm wondering, however, how long it will take TUI to obtain AACSB acreditation (assuming they are, in fact, moving in that direction). If they are =really= serious, then they are likely to obtain it. So, what's your time frame? If it would take, say, 3-4 years to complete your PhD at TUI and TUI had obtained AACSB accreditation by that time, then it wouldn't matter that you started the program prior to accreditation, right?

 

Homer, Great question. My husband, Professors and myself are debating this very topic.

The problem is that MANY schools that try to obtain accreditation do not make it to the AACSB status. With the fees being $500 per unit, it is a wager, kind of risky.

I spoke to TUI, they said it will take 1-3 years from their first graduating class (which just graduated this month). I have to wait until Next year anyway, since I am still completing my masters.

Hopefully they will be along, and if they start to market that they are seeking accreditation, it is probably going well. They are not memebrs though (which I found out from this board), which worries me a little......

Only time will tell.

 

Where did you hear that graduation from an AACSB accredited business school is required to teach in California and UC schools? As I mentioned in another thread, they certainly don't mention it in their job openings for business school professors.

I'm not trying to be dismissive or rude. I am really interested in how many schools require AACSB accreditated schooling to teach.

 

I wasn't aware of that, actually. But what about candidacy? Wouldn't it be a relatively safe bet that a candidate would (eventually) achieve full accreditation? If TUI becomes a candidate it seems like it would be less of a risk, no? Of course, I don't know how long it would take to achieve that status either. Are they talking 1-3 years from their first graduating class for full accreditation or just candidacy?

 

Here is the link to CSUS website for a position (one of many) http://www.csus.edu/fas/OB-Org%20Comm%20Vacancy%20Announcement.htm as you can see:

"QUALIFICATIONS: Applicants must hold a doctoral degree in Business Administration or related field from a school accredited by AACSB International – The Association to Advance Collegiate Schools of Business".

I called and asked the dean if I applied without one would I be considered, and he said the application would not get through the HR department, it would be screened out before it goes to the department. He used to be a Professor of mine, and said he could not consider it, but would if it was AACSB.

Steve - You sad you couldn't understand how they could require it. It is a part of minimum requirements. Just like they require a PhD. All positions have requirements.

On a different thread, I should clarify that this is for a full tenure position, they can make expceptions for part time professors, where industry experience etc can be considered.

Homer - TUI told me that 1-3 years from the date of their first graduating class.

 

Entered Touro Ph.D. Program

I just wanted to extend my thanks to the boards for the information I have received in the last few weeks. I finally decided on Touro to pursue my Ph.D. in Business Administration. After long deliberation and research, I was very comfortable with the program. The flexible schedule, courses available, and economics were appealing. They have been very helpful and kind in the enrollment process. After reading the posts and answers to my questions I feel comfortable with the accreditation and reputation in the DL world. I'm excited and look forward to the education adding to my business acumen. Being a Program Director/Instructor for Marketing at a junior college, I look forward to the degree assisting in my growth in academia. Thanks again and I will keep posted.

Ed

 

Re: Entered Touro Ph.D. Program

Good choice. Best of luck!!

Eli
ABD, Touro University International

 

Eli Touro Thoughts

Eli:

Thanks for your kind words. As a current learner at Touro do you have an advice.

Ed

 

Re: Eli Touro Thoughts

The educational experience is quite fulfilling but make sure to meet the module deadlines and not accumulate work (fall behind). I am positive that you will enjoy it tremendously.

Eli
ABD, Touro University International

 

Re: Re: Eli Touro Thoughts