Touro or Univ. of Glasgow?

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I am finding many read the first few words of a sentence, and don't read the rest. Since they do have accreditation this would not apply. IF a school was UNaccredited, for 1000 years, it MAY be suspect, unless OTHER FACTORS would change this. Not sure why this is an issue, since it was clarified early on that the accreditation comes from the government - different than the US.

There are several (who say they are Professor's) that don't seem that anyone that does not know as much as them is not welcome to comment - how do your students react to intolerance (and lack to read entire postings)! In no way did I say that this school is a degree mill, much on the contrary - the only comment that made this issue is the above, and I have clarified, IF not accreditated, then it MAY be suspect. I have received many spam e-mails that state "get a degree, just may $1000, no accreditation, been around for decades" - that was my experience.

Thank you to those that see reason and have tried to explain my views and previous postings.....

 

I dought that anyone, who would lable the University of Glasgow a degree mill, is prepared for doctoral studies at any reputable university.

 

This discussion gets funnier and funnier with each new post. I would bet that most of us (other then those doing research on the topic) would not know anything about oversea Universities, other government's requirements for their schools or DL outside of the US if it were not for this website or the works of Dr. Bear.

That does not mean that any of us are not prepared for a Ph.D. degree. I bet you could go to a number of scholars who hold Ph.D's or even highly recognizable Government Officials and ask them about Glasgow, University of Southern Queensland or any other University in another country and they would probably have never heard of it. That by no means implies that those Universities are not highly regarded. The same case can be made if you went to a student in Scotland attending Glasgow and asked them if they have ever heard of Duke University, they may look at you funny and say, “What kind of school is that…. I have never heard of them.”

As a DL community we should embrace our diversities because I think we all come to this website for the same reason (to learn) however, the comments presented are a true reflection of how the real world views DL. If we can't embrace change and new innovations (Touro, Capella, etc.) then what are we even doing here? Every University was 1 day old at some point in its lifetime.


Duff

 

Apologies

Kristie7

If I came across hasty and have been disrespectful of you I apologise. It's just that I do not expect anyone in the global education system not to know about such places as the University of Glasgow, Scotland, alma mater of Adam Smith.

As an undergraduate I heard Milton Friedman address about 500 of us at the University of Strathclyde (Glasgow) and he opened with the words: 'Fellow members of the Republic of the Intellect' and I felt good about that (though some of my student colleagues had come along to protest his lecture, but not a sound of dissent was heard once he got going!).

In so far as now you are doubting my 'professorship' I do not take offence. Most of my students call be 'Gavin' and I only use my academic title, 'Professor Kennedy', because that identifies me and my institution (EBS). I have never hid behind a username and anybody knows where to find me. You may ask John Bear whom I am - this is the first time anybody has questioned it, but I treat this as a lesser error that not knowing about the University of Glasgow.

As for respect for student opinions it would be an arrogant vanity to respond with a rebuttal, and if I appear to have treated you unfairly, I apologise, but I tend to assume that contributors to degreeinfo are from the top of the class, not beginners, and I should be more tolerant and I will try to be in future. We learn by correcting our errors and confusion, but above all by being enthusiasticaly encouraged. A professor should always remember that everybody has the right to be wrong on occasion without the world falling around their ears. Sorry for my forgetful offence.

 

If a business scholar doesn't know Glasgow then I would assume that he doesn't read paper publications at all. Glasgow research community is very active and research papers are all over the most known journals.

If the scholar is in another field then we can forgive him. It is obvious that the person asking is not very involved in research and therefore is not prepared to do a PhD.

 

Re: Apologies

Thank you, meant no disrespect, just got carried away. I am learning as I go.

For research - I have only been doing in depth research for about 2 years, so am new to this area as well. I do have to say that I search many databases, journal, etc. Don't have the schools memorized yet of where the research comes from, though site everything properly.

My blood type is __, my social security number is ___, just kidding - OK, enough about me, let's get back to the board.

 

That's the problem with assumptions.

 

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She made a mistake. She was not reasonable. So what. Let's go on.

 

A matter of degree!

Firstly, I'm all for putting things right in Iraq.

Secondly, putting things right, in my view, does not mean the US and UK should wage war on Iraq and the evidence for doing so is, again in my view, unconvincing.

Thirdly, and back to the real point, although Glasgow is a very ancient university its DBA programme is not! Itr has only been going just over one year and there are people here in the UK who are very sceptical about the total non-residential nature of the programme - other than the viva voce examination at the end of the programme that has to be held in Scotland. So, both Glasgow's and Turo doctoral programmes are relatively new and it will be the quality of the work produced by students that will count. However, isn't there a sit on lawnmower company called Turo or Truro?!? Some of the names being conjoured for universities up in the USA at present - well! In jest - in part!

'telfax'

 

Interesting comments, Telfax. You have a point there.
Touro's B&M school has been around for a while (about 30 years I think) but its virtual school (one of several of Touro's schools should I add) is very new but shows promise.

Of course, this does not compare to Glasgow's 500 years of history! Glasgow even has more history than Harvard and Princeton combined!
Ironically, its dl DBA is also very new, so I'm sure that that they are still in their dl infancy much like Touro is.

I think you are right that the quality of work after the degree is what counts in the end.

-S

 

Clarify

Wow, thanks for the exciting replies. I didn't know it would display such an intense debate. Anyway, I appreciate the information that has arisen from the discussion. First I thought I would clarify the lawnmower which is a “Toro”. I used the Toro snowblower today to dig out here in the Northeast. Also, “Touro” is the University and TUI is again a branch campus of the prestigious Touro College that is:

“The College was established primarily to enrich the Jewish heritage, and to serve the larger American community. About eight thousand students are currently enrolled in the various schools and divisions of Touro. Touro was chartered by New York State in 1970. In 1971 the college opened with a class of 35 Liberal Arts and Sciences students. Since 1971, the College has demonstrated dynamic growth.”

Source: www.Touro.edu

I think that TUI has done a great job setting a foundation to be a premier institution. I understand that many may feel I am bias since I am attending TUI, but during my research into programs and my attendance, I have found that the University adheres to its mission of:

“Touro University International serves a truly international entity without any national boundaries. It serves the emerging needs of the global community and educates students to learn and function in a changing world. Touro University International is committed to high quality standards in all its programs with its primary means of instruction by interactive Internet medium.”

Source: www.Tourou.edu

Many of us that take on a Ph.D. program find reservations in the first year. The requirements and work add stress to being able to taking care of your family and working a full time job. But, I feel by reorganizing my schedule and committing more time will help me succeed. Again, thanks to everyone’s posts.

 

How many credits do you Touro-ites get for the blatant advertising you do on this forum? It must be worth at least 30 shs.

 

I got all 40 credits for just mention the name Touro on this site. All I have to do now is writing the dissertation.

Bao

 

No wonder we have no many ABDs from Touro.

 

For classification, I am no longer an ABD. After mentioning Touro's name again in my last post, TUI emailed me my degree. I again mentioned its name in this post. What are other degrees they going to send to me?

 

The name Touro derives from the Touro Synagogue in Newport, Rhode Island, one of the oldest synagogues in the United States. It is an architectural gem. George Washington's letter to the Touro congregation is the source of the phrase (I may be misquoting slightly)
"to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance."

 

I've always thought that Touro's Graduate School of Jewish Studies offers an unusually comprehensive lineup of courses in that subject, particularly for a masters level program. Add that to the opportunity to study Judaism at their Jerusalem center, and it's rather impressive.

http://www.touro.edu/judagrad/course.asp

 

I was just lurking until the irony of this post compelled me to comment!

 

I have to agree. Sorry, it was a speed post.

 

The University of Glasgow is in a completely different league from Touro. The Times ranks Glasgow as 28th among other British Universities--A Ph.D. from Glasgow is a credential that should be respected throughout the world.