Discussion in 'Off-Topic Discussions' started by Kizmet, May 21, 2015.
Any local updates on that little motorcycle gathering you all had in Waco the other day?
Texas is such a large state. Most Texas wouldn't have any information that others wouldn't have access to. I live over two hours away from Waco. However, it was interesting to find out that a retired San Antonio Police Department detective was a part of one of the gangs.
Consider that the retired detective could also be a mole for law enforcement…
That's one possibility, but Occam's razor suggests it's more likely to be something like this.
I’m not convinced of the suggestion being more so likely Steve. While not an absolute; in general however, it’s not too uncommon or that unlikely for “corrections” officers to be more prone to be involved in nefarious activity in contrast to police officers. Fundamentally in comparison to law enforcement officer screening procedure vs the selection process in relation to correctional officer positions … too often entails substandard vetting procedure.
Hmm... I thought the noted principle requires the least amount of presumption.
1. An organized crime 'group' was arrested.
2. One of them is a police officer.
3a. Police officers can be involved in undercover work, in organized crime 'groups'.
4a. Therefore this police officer is most likely undercover.
3b. Police officers can be corrupt and participate in organized crime 'groups'.
4b. Therefore this police officer is most likely corrupt.
Which one is more likely? 3a or 3b?
The 3b scenario requires a presumption that the police officer in question is corrupt, 3a does not as undercover work is a normal function of police officers. Statistically speaking there are significantly more undercover police officer who are not corrupt, than corrupt.
In other words, since none of us knows for sure, it seems we're all taking out of this situation whatever we brought into it....
Not all motorcycle clubs are "gangs" or "criminal organizations."
It's really starting to sound like the cops screwed up big time, and are impugning the character of the people they mistakenly attacked in an attempt to cover their own behinds.
At least, one news report I saw today said that ALL of the dead were shot by the police. Also, while the police previously had said that all of the people arrested were "known criminal gang members," it turns out that 115 of the 170 people arrested had no prior police records.
If the officer was a mole … the law enforcement strategy being that he’s a biker gang member...
And if an undercover operation … we’ll never know either way … nor should we. That’s the way it’s intended to work.
All I know is that this incident led to the retired detective losing his job as a bus driver for a school district.
Retired San Antonio detective arrested in Waco Twin Peaks brawl fired from NISD bus driving job - San Antonio Express-News
Neither would the school district be aware of this "retired" officer’s undercover activities (if the case), and a school district bus driving job could too serve as a viable cover (front) for the officer. Consider also that the officer wasn't necessarily retired (?). There are all kinds of potential variables to this case. Just saying…
OK, neither of my exes lives in TX.
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