Discussion in 'Online & DL Teaching' started by shanerdaner, Sep 26, 2010.
Head's up...the post you replied to was from 2011.
I know this is an old thread, but the content is still relevant.
I have experience with Middle States and North Central and neither have any such requirement. This is one of the many wives tales that exist about accreditation. Regional accreditors more often say things like "...provided by faculty and/or other professionals with credentials appropriate to graduate-level curricula...."
The RA accrediting commissions, at least the ones I am familiar with, do NOT make statements that forbid the acceptance of transfer credits from NA to RA or even from non-accredited and do not explicitly forbid the hiring of an NA degreed faculty for the level appropriate to their degree. Most institutions are free to make such decisions at the detail level. Dowload this "Determining Qualified Faculty: Guidelines for Institutions and Peer Reviewers". This is from the Higher Learning Commission. It is a common expression of how qualifications are incorporated into accrediting standards.
Institutions do not violate any standard by hiring a faculty with an NA terminal degree. However, they also are not obliged to do so, either.........and almost none do.
Can you please name one RA institution that hired someone based on their DETC/NA credential? Please do not use an example where the employee already has an underlying RA credential that meets the institution's hiring prerequisite. For example, to teach in an RA AAS program, the candidate must have an RA AAS/AS in that particular discipline; thus, any higher DETC/NA degree that is held is not used for employment purposes i.e. it was the underlying RA degree that got them hired in the first place.
Paul's not wrong that regional accreditors don't explicitly prohibit their schools from hiring faculty members with NA credentials, and he said "and almost none do". What more do you want?
An example where the DETC/NA credential was used for hiring purposes.
I would have no idea if or where that would have ever happened. My only point was to note that to say DETC DBA cannot be used for teaching purposes at RA institutions would not be factually correct, at least in my institutional and accreditation process experiences. I'm not endorsing anything or making recommendations.
If I took you too literally and what you meant was that to try and get a teaching job with an NA degree would be difficult, I would concur.
Agreed. However, that's the rub because there are a select minority of people who equate equivalence between DETC/NA and RA in:
3. general utility
4. and teaching utility at RA institutions.
Point #4 is particularly misleading.
As others have duly noted: NA has limited DEAC value in size (of ROI) and scope (of utility).
DEAC accredited degrees are worthless and have no utility. I don't know why anyone would enroll or waste their time pursuing a degree from such a place?
If you do pursue a Doctorate degree from a DEAC accredited school you will only be laughed at and taken as not credible. If you're wise you will get a regionally accredited degree and only that.
I would recommend that you would be better off if you really want a Doctorate and it isn't regionally accredited to just print up a degree and at least you won't be laughed at and waste your money. DEAC isn't a credible or recognized accreditation.
Don't hold back. Tell us how you really feel.
Everybody's entitled to their own opinion. I just find it hard to give credence to any individual that puts their opinions above that of the U.S. Dept. of Education.
DEAC Accreditation is Completely Valid
It's a gimmick. Tell me that a person who holds a degree from a DEAC accredited school is going to be taken seriously. A person who has a regionally accredited degree won't be questioned and their degree will be accepted.
DEAC is totally a gimmick and a scam to get people to think that their degree is accredited when not very many colleges or universities accept the accreditation. How many people have had a DEAC accredited degree accepted?
The only valid degree is a regionally accredited one. A DEAC accredited degree has just as much utility as a non accredited degree absolutely worthless. Why do you think this poster asked this question and everyone is basically saying they should get a regionally accredited one?
Those who think of getting a DEAC degree or non accredited are better just going to a printing center and having one made. The degrees from a DEAC accredited school or non accredited have no credibility or no utility. Also, why do you think that the US Department of Education doesn't advocate or fight for the same status of a regionally accredited one? It's because regional accreditation is the gold standard. DEAC accreditation = no standard or recognition.
If what you’re advocating has validity re DEAC national accreditation; then conversely … we could likewise presume that the USDOE, as well as CHEA, should be considered as an enablers, co-conspirators, and/or as a gimmicks too … (?).:cool2:
ATTENTION ALL READERS WHO ARE INEXPERIENCED WITH ACCREDITATION MATTERS: potpurri's postings on this matter are totally inaccurate and should be disregarded in there entirety.
Really . . .
Do you think I should give back my $88K a year because I am using my Aspen University BSBA ? Or what about the 'foot in the door' I was given because of my Penn Foster AS in Mechanical Engineering Technology degree?
Nothing like having a few degrees that cost about $8,000 back in 2006.
I think I received a good ROI. That's what my Aspen degree taught me.
Presumably one would do this because one has a goal and has decided that a degree from a nationally accredited school will help them reach that goal.
It’s pretty tough to argue that degrees from regionally accredited schools aren’t more useful in most cases. That does not mean that degrees from nationally accredited schools are not credible in any case, and it certainly doesn’t mean they’re laughable.
This isn’t middle school. Most adults are beyond perceptions of being “laughed at” and have moved on to whether something meets their needs. In many cases a DEAC accredited school may not meet one’s needs. But saying that means it’s not credible or recognized is demonstrably untrue.
An interesting perceptual barometer is if the FBI ever decides to hire a candidate based on his having a DEAC/DETC/NA bachelors degree. Will it ever happen?
Are we certain this has never happened before?
Re FBI: Can’t speak specifically as to whether or not the FBI has ever, or will ever hire a NA degree holder, however, this seems explicit…
Possess a bachelor's degree from a college or university accredited by one of the regional or national institutional associations recognized by the United States Secretary of Education.
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