Actually, our colleague Dave is a bright individual who has some very good ideas. He provides examples of what Ph.D. programs should not do, and I am trying to make sure that our fledgling program never is guilty of those things. Dave and I disagree on really only two items: 1) He claims that for-profit and/or online doctoral programs purposely enroll large numbers of doctoral students who they have no intention of graduating and 2) Only 10% of those enrolling in online and/or for-profit doctoral programs graduate (compared to about 50% of doctoral students in general). I say that he has no data to support either of these claims, even though he may be correct that there might be an institution for which these are true. It is definitely true of Sullivan University--that is why I work there.