State licensed Masters degree for 750 dollars!

In Europe most bachelor degrees do not have a general education requirement. This was supposedly accomplished in high school.
These degrees are accepted for addmission to USA graduate programs.

 

I'm sure that you're right. However, it is my opinion that the number of unaccredited but legitimate universities is relatively small while the number of mills (unaccredited, illegitimate) is relatively large. There are so many accredited distance learning programs these days that I am increasingly unable to understand why someone would choose an unaccredited program other than their hope to slip through with as little work as possible. Of course then "learning" is not their real motive. Sometimes people will cite cost as a factor but personally, I'd rather get a degree from UNISA than an unaccredited school. I'm aware that not everyone agrees with me on these points. That's OK as I'm not really trying to change anyone's mind, just expressing my own opinion.

 

"This was supposedly accomplished in high school."

If only...

 

Agree 100%

 

Of course. Degree mills are indefensible. What I meant is that there are many good educational programs that don't necessarily need to be accredited because they are not to be looked at as colleges. I have seen over several months of being an unregistered user to this site, and other similar ones, many witch hunts against unaccredited adult educational programs- things like TESL, computer courses, buisness management classes, etc.

I wanted to jump in before this turned into a witch hunt and, hopefully, provide some real concerns that can be discussed before anyone tried to tie them up and throw them in a river. It concerns me that they call their programs Associate's, Bachelor's and Master's when they don't have the authority and probably shouldn't have the authority to ever grant them. I do think, however, that if they really educate, that they could open themselves up to evaluation by ACE.

 

Bruce,

Perhaps it’s merely marketing via RA “authority” strategy…

 

OK then. You say that you know many of these programs? Make a list. Right here in this thread.

 

"Not looked at as colleges"? I'm not sure what you mean by that.

My own opinion is that all degree-granting institutions (and more broadly, any institution that awards any kind of academic awards, such as certificates) needs to either be A.) accredited, or B.) have some other visible and persuasive way of demonstrating its credibility and academic worth. Since its reputation (if any) will only be known to individuals who are already familiar with the school, we find that the small number of good unaccredited degree-grantors are typically niche-players, awarding degrees for use in narrow specialized applications. An unaccredited seminary operated by a religious denomination for purposes of training its own clergy would be an example.

That's why I was interested in finding .gov and .mil websites that acknowledge and talk about IICTS. The school describes itself this way, "IICTS certification represents an internationally recognized standard for superior academic and operational performance in counterterrorism/SRT and SWAT specializations." If that's truly the case, then wouldn't people in law enforcement and the counter-terrorism agencies already have had something to say about it?

You need to remember two things. First, this board is a very diverse community with a multitude of different opinions. Just because an individual writes something that you disagree with doesn't mean that the board is on a witch-hunt. Second and more importantly, when a school is unaccredited, the burden of proof is always on the school and on its champions. If there's no reason to believe that a school is credible, then there's no reason to believe that it's credible. Simple as that. Evidence has to be presented and a convincing case has to be made. Initial skepticism is healthy and necessary, and nobody here (or anywhere else) is under any obligation to naively believe everything that they are told.

We'd have to find them first.

 

Though I have no direct experience with California Pacific University (CA State approval) nor am I in anyway meaning to endorse CPU, but seemingly they do offer some legitimate business curriculum for a reasonable tuition. Conversely I’m intrigued by their adverseness to seeking any DOE or CHEA recognized accreditation status. I can only suppose that would be an opposite of their business model (?). They surely have non-traditional education longevity (since 1976) in their favor.

 

Call Dr. Dalton and ask him about their business model. I'm sure he'll tell you straight his thoughts about higher education... To paraphrase, they are just trying to offer a no frills advanced education in business. Cal Pacific is totally legitimate, just not regionally accredited...

 

You know, I've always wondered the same thing. Maybe they're still trying for RA?

OP: Love the formula! I know it will come in handy for the future.

 

Dave,

Isn’t Dr. Dalton’s doctorate from California Western (unaccredited) … now California Coast University? Nonetheless as I mentioned earlier, even though unaccredited but State Approved, CPU must be offering legitimacy to their business degrees; it would be difficult to exist more than 30-years if CPU’s program was illicit. Perhaps Dr. Dalton should be given some recognition for bucking the education establishment…