(Sir?) Rudolph Guliani, K.B.E.

Mayor Guliani, who has just been given honorary knighthood by the British Empire, can now use the letters K.B.E. after his name, however, he cannot use the title "Sir." The reason? His Knighthood is honorary.

If only we could learn something from the Brits, and refuse to allow the recipients of honorary doctorates to use the title "Dr.," which in my opinion is somewhat misleading.

Russell

 

Not all knighthoods awarded to US citizens are considered honorary. Admiral Chester Nimitz and Generals Eisenhower & MacArthur were made Knights of the Bath after WWII. As far as I know, these were real knighthoods (as real as knighthood can get anyway), so I suppose they could have used "Sir" if they chose to. I can maybe see Ike, but I can't picture Nimitz or MacArthur.

I agree, though, regarding tht title of Doctor with honorary doctorates. Unfortunately, that's about the only point of receiving them, so I don't see that changing anytime soon.

It's always fascinated me that people list honorary doctorates on their resume and use the Doctor title. I was awarded the Medal of Valor by my police department, but I can never picture myself signing my name with "M.V." after it (though I did a lot more than donate money and walk up to a podium to earn it).


Bruce

 

Will Russell next be saying that Harlan Sanders, K.F.C. shouldn't be calling himself "Colonel."

 

Indeed, John! I drove past a KFC just yesterday, and thought of all the people who have addressed Harlan as the "Colonel," thinking he was truly a Colonel in the war (i.e., Civil War). But then one wonders, after all the chicken he has sold he deserves an honorary title, based on life experience, from Trinity College/University.

The Colonel Dr. Harlan Sanders!

Russell

 

Well, Rudy is no Nelson A. Rockefeller but I do admire him greatly. From everything I have read about him I doubt he will use any titles. He seems more humble that that. He's a true statesman, not a politician.

 

Jimmy Clifton writes that "Well, Rudy is no Nelson A. Rockefeller ..."

Well he is, with respect to his heavily denied, and then admitted very public affairs with attractive women, while still living with his wife.

But he'd have to go some to top the way Rocky died, in this regard. Not a happy matter.

 

Knight Friar/Fryer of Chicken?

He must be a true hero amongst the bovine "Eat more chikun" crowd...uh, herd.

 

Rudy Giuliani will not be able to use the title "Sir Rudolph" because he is not a UK citizen, but he can put the initials "KBE" (Knight of the British Empire) after his name. http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/europe/10/15/gen.guiliani.knighthood/


Steven Spielberg will not become "Sir Steven", nor will he kneel and be tapped on each shoulder with a sword, as he is not a British citizen. But he will be able to put the letters "KBE" after his name, for Knight of the British Empire. http://www.cnn.com/2000/SHOWBIZ/Movies/12/29/spielberg/

 

Happy probably wasn't happy but Rocky probably died with a smile on his face.

Dave

 

If memory serves, the young lady that Rocky took his last ride with--Megan Marshack (sp)--greatly resembled Clinton's main squeeze Monica Lewinsky, although I don't think they were related or not.

Scott
who is postponing his retirement for six months or more due to 9/11

 

While not on topic I thought some might be interested in the site http://www.ishipress.com/marshak.htm
In spite of Rocky's adultery he is still my favorite Republican of all time. I think he could have been a very good president especially for education, social progress and foreign affairs.

 

The Taliban feels the same way about Osama bin Laden, Jimmy. "In spite of" Osama's terrorism, murder, anarchy and radical Islamic ideas, he's really a very good guy.

Russell

 

Now, Russ, there is no comparison between the brutal Bin Laden and the philanthropic Rockefeller.

 

well, that would depend on whose perspective you encounter--there are probably a number of Afghanis who would talk about the "philanthropic" Bin Laden and the "brutal" Rockefeller--remember the Attica riots?

Scott
who promises not to go further off-topic

 

Scott,

Governor Rockefeller refused to negotiate with thugs, rapists, murderers, arsonists, child abusers, etc., so they rioted. Rocky was vindicated by many. Of course he had his detractors who were mostly bleeding heart liberals who believed hardcore criminals deserved to be given Holiday Inn treatment in prison. I am not at all arguing against prison reform. I have been a member of both the Quakers and Unitarians who have always been in the forefront of prison reform and human rights. However, criminals should not be negotiated with. The Rockefeller record in New York speaks for itself. He was reelected four times and always carried the endorsement of the Liberal Party of New York.

 

At least he was a Republican, right Jimmy?

Russell

 

Jimmy Clifton writes, of Nelson Rockefeller, "He was reelected four times and always carried the endorsement of the Liberal Party of New York."

Well, actually, no to both. He was reelected three times, and at least in 1966 (when I was living and working in NY, and writing ads, pro bono, for the Liberal Party), the Liberal Party spurned Rockefeller in favor of FDR Jr.

For a fine photo of this fine American, see http://vatican.rotten.com/famous/nelson-finger.html

John Bear, who re-registered as a Republican
in 1964, solely to be above to vote for Rockefeller
(running against Goldwater) in the California primary

 

able

able able able

To be able to vote for Rocky.

John Bear (who also, in 1964 -- young[er] and dumb[er]--
my, those were simpler times in some ways -- made every channel's
evening news as one of a group of seven or eight who marched
the entire length of Market Street in San Francisco
in the Republican Victory Parade, wearing bedsheets and pointy white
hats, carrying signs saying "We're With You Barry" and the like. I actually
wrote to Goldwater to apologize some years later, and got back a charming
and gracious note saying that he remembered it well, and was amused.)

 

Barry Goldwater was one of the more entertaining politicians. One day some journalists arrived at his house for a scheduled interview, to be startled by the sound of gunfire. An exasperated Mrs. Goldwater came out to explain that Barry thought it was a good time for some target practice in the driveway.


Bruce

 

AuH20 was kind of a hero to ham radio operators. They exchange "DX" cards with other hams after making a radio contact, and a card from Senator Barry Goldwater was coveted by all. His call sign (K7UGA) was one of the most recognizable in the world, along with King Hussein of Jordan (JS1). (King Hussein had the royal advantage of selecting his own call sign suffix, "1", which was added to Jordan's international prefix, "JS".)

My father was a dixiecrat who always voted Democrat no matter how good or corrupt the candidate was, except that he voted and campaigned for Goldwater. He never campained for anyone before or after Goldwater. As a child, I had a hard time synthesizing political theory at home.