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You were the one that made an issue of Rich's PhD, not Rich. Please try to keep the discussion from getting personal.

Thanks

 

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Give me a break, it had been personal for some time. Long before the PhD thing came out. Rich likes to come on here preaching of reasoned debate then makes comments like the BSA should be treated like the KKK. He then wants to say that wasn't what he meant and act superior like we misunderstood him. He can't have it both ways.

He needs to practice what he preaches...

 

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The statement was that the government should provide no more support for the BSA than it does for the KKK. That does not mean that KKK and the BSA should be thought of in the same vein.

Please stop making this personal.

Thanks

 

Hi Bill: Please note that my objection was to the statement, not to the person or the credentials of Dr Douglas, for whom I have the highest regard. I know that your warning was not directed to me, but I wanted to emphasise this lest there be any confusion in the minds of trolls or sloppy readers. Cordially, Janko

 

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Nobody on here is stupid or dumb or naive enough not to know exactly what Dr. Douglas meant and exactly what he was implying. Defending his hatred, bigotry, and slander changes nothing, nothing at all!

There are numerous organizations he could have used instead of the KKK. He could have used the ACLU itself or N.O.W. or the N.A.A.C.P. or P.E.T.A.

Instead he used a hate-mongering, racist, bigoted, Satanic organization so he could get in his not-so-subtle comparison of it to the BSA.

DTechBA was exactly right in his stating Dr. Douglas uses the same tactics politicians use. Dr. Douglas is a consummate politician.

I think the "C" in his middle name stands for "Clinton."

 

Yes, we have to stop thinking and posting that disagreeing with what one says is a personal attack, it is not!

I like Rich. I read his Union dissertation and posted very positively about it. His words are disturbing, that's all, and I wish him a very Merry Christmas.

 

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Give me a break, he said it to get a result and he got one. He insulted people, and got personal, but now you want to shift blame.

Rich is very good at the indirect insult. He practices it often and then claims innocence when he is called on it. Look at his body of postings and they are often just as personal or demeaning as anyone elses. I rather doubt anyone reading Rich's comment on the BSA and the KKK thinks he meant anything other than to slander the BSA and anyone who supports them. Otherwise, he could have simply left it as treating the BSA just like any other entity that isn't tax exempt. Instead, he used the KKK, an organization rightfully reviled by any decent person. He meant to make a point and he made it.

He now acts innocent which is his usual modus. Since I have been on this board, I have seen Rich make comments about the intelligence of people who believe in God, miracles and/or support Bush. He doesn't do it directly at someone but there is little doubt that if you believe in God (or support Bush) he means you. But his suttle semantics (even though I think the KKK comment really wasn't all that suttle) allow him deniability and he practices hurt innocence as soon as someone calls him on it. They may be suttle but they are still personal.

Since he is viewed as almost untouchable by some on this board he gets away with and, as you are doing, is even defended for doing what for others gets criticism.

 

Welcome back to the Off-Topic board, Uncle Janko!

I think I may stop posting here too, as well as the Politics board.

I just get too passionate and criticisms of words get twisted by some into criticisms of the person. It's not worth the negative feelings created.

So, it's strictly DL for me.

 

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I exercised my judgment. I have the experience and the qualifications to do that. (You or anyone else can disagree with that or my opinions, of course.)

Except for the fact that TUI has introduced some courses, I haven't missed anything regarding them. And I'm not the one who tried to fluff them up.

I don't care which is better. But a few people who care very much are disappointed in my opinion.

Making TUI into Fielding would be like making chicken salad out of chicken <bleep>. But I definitely feel TUI compares well to UoP, and NCU.

Again, thanks for the advice. Hope your studies work out someday. (Serously, and sincerely.) It's hard; I know from first-hand experience.

 

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I would take that as an insult, but since he was so much better at his job that the criminal currently in office, I'll take it as a compliment.

I used the KK to illustrate a point about equal treatment, not to compare the two. But twisting what I said into something I did not isn't very fair.

I'm accused of jumping to conlcusions, being biased, all kinds of stuff. But instead of assuming I was equating the BSA with the KKK, couldn't you have just asked me what I meant? Or were you too busy jumping, too?

 

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While I don't agree, I really appreciate being called "suttle." ("Subtle" would be better, but we can't have everything.) Seldom is such a term used about my presence on this board. I rather like the sound of it. "Suttle." Ahhhhh. Makes me feel all contemplative and complicated. (When I'm not calling the BSA a bunch of Klansmen, I suppose.)

Can I be both? Can I be both "suttle" and blatantly insulting at the same time? It seems so. I didn't realize I was such a complex guy. Makes me want to press F7.

 

"Untouchable"? What? Name me one other person who gets more slammed at him than I do? Levicoff? No. Not even Bear. Hell, not even Neil Hayes, AND HE EARNS IT! hey, there's even a website that is, largely, dedicated to slamming me. Untouchable? That's a riot. But not "suttle."

 

suttee - the act or custom of a Hindu widow willingly being cremated on the funeral fire of her husband as an indication of her devotion to him

suttle - there apparently is a definition in the unabridged dictionary but I don't have it here, sorry.

 

Don't the boy scouts do that?

 

There's got to be a joke in there somewhere about the boy scout who helped the little old polygamous lady cross the street to get to her suttee.

 

Because many of the comments seem to now be about me and not the original topic, I'm going to bow out of this thread, leaving any last words to others, after these thoughts:

I like inclusion, not exclusion.

I feel that organizations who seek to exclude should not receive public assistance, accommodations, nor tax-preferred statuses.

The BSA is, generally, a fine organization with a terrible blind spot.

The ACLU is a champion of freedom, even if it sometimes has to take unpopular stances to do it.

Generally, I prefer my civil liberties over others' interpretations of the reason why they should be denied.

Being in an organization while disagreeing with one of its policies is not hypocritical. I imagine most of use could find something at work we disagree with, but isn't worth quitting over.

Live and let live. If there is harm or danger, fine. If not, leave people alone.

 

Nobody but me, I guess . . .

I thought Rich Douglas deliberately chose the KKK to show the extreme extent of freedom to associate for non-tax-exempt groups.

It didn't occur to me that any other comparison was intended, because I don't expect any poster to shoot both feet off intentionally.

 

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My major was criminology. The minor was business. Not exactly a traditional pairing but the military causes one to travel unique educational paths when you go to 7 schools to finish. Peace, no need to get all worked up over something so frivolous at any time much less over the holiday season.

 

Here's just a few links that support what I was saying about polygamist communities generally being corrupt.

http://www.bettywebb-mystery.com/polygamy.html

There's many links to charges of men wedding thirteen/fourteen year old girls. I assume that the readers is already familar with this aspect of common polygamist communities.

 

There seems to be some heightened tensions here during this holiday season. I have no particular interest in locking another thread but I will do so if the members involved do not stop slinging mud and return to the topic of the thread.
Jack