Regional Accreditation Criticized in Congress

Bashing again??

Rich:

Thanks for your bashing, I guess you must feel that I am a glutten for your written anger.

As for criticing PW for admitting me, I think you are wrong. They only did so with the assurance that I'll have my BS in Feb, and KW supplied the transcript confirming. However, even if I wasn't to receive the BS, there are good schools that will accept, such as Herriott and Jones. Why you are bashing PW a CA approved school, I am not sure.

Also, PW is awarding experential ACE credit (5 credits) at the Graduate Level, however, Jones Int'l (RA) allows up to 9. How is this then worthy of your bashment?

Remember the sayings : "People who live in glass houses shouldnt throw stones." and "let he (she) who is without sin, cast the first stone".

RJT

 

Re: Bashing again??

For once, I must say the RJIT has a point, here is the policy for credit for PL at JUI:


Credit for Prior Learning
Students who are admitted to a JIU degree program may apply for credit for graduate-level learning acquired through their earlier schooling, work, or other life experiences. Students may earn up to nine (9) graduate credits or 15 undergraduate credits through Credit for Prior Learning.

Credit may be awarded on the basis of an assessment of the following:

Successful completion of JIU's non-credit course BC101 Credit for Prior Learning, prior to submitting a Portfolio for review. This course instructs students on how to prepare and assemble a Portfolio to be submitted for credit and evaluated by JIU faculty.
Successful evaluation by JIU faculty of the submitted Portfolio of Learning Experiences, which describes and documents pertinent learning comparable to courses offered by JIU. Credit will be granted only after a strict and well-documented evaluation of a portfolio. The Master's level Credit for Prior Learning portfolio should include original work products, such as business projects, publications, and reports. It can also include scholarly works such as articles, formal presentations, or other work that constitutes primary and direct evidence of the student's academic achievements.
Students who have previously completed a Credit for Prior Learning course at another institution are encouraged to submit a Portfolio of Learning Experiences to be reviewed by JIU faculty.
A maximum of nine (9) transfer, graduate credit hours or Credit for Prior Learning portfolio hours can be applied towards a graduate degree at JIU. A maximum of 15 credit hours (equivalent to 5 classes) can be awarded for prior learning experiences for the BABC program. 15 credit hours is a cumulative maximum for both lower and upper level credits; however, these credit hours can be earned in addition to the maximum of 30 credit hours transferred from another university or earned by examination.
A one-time $600.00 fee is charged for BC101 Credit for Prior Learning. Students can then apply for Portfolio credit for courses deemed comparable at JIU for $125.00 per credit hour.



I don't know the policy of PWU for CPL, but JIU seems to be open for credit for graduate level work. The policy of accepting a student on the promise of finishing a B.Sc seems to me too flexible if you ask me.


RJIT's decision of finishing from a B.Sc to a PhD from unaccredited schools is a very personal decision and it might be good enough for him. Unaccredited degrees are almost useless for most of the cases, but it can feel the gap for those looking for self improvement. Our point RJIT, is that KW doesn't offer any advantage since you can get an accredited degree by spending almost the same amount of money and perhaps the same amount of work if you already have earned so many credits.

The future of schools like KW is very obscure. My prediction is that they will dissapear given the amount of new accredited options. There is no point to encourage students to go for mills when there are so many good alternatives down there.

This forum is there to help people that are looking for the best their money and time can buy. And KW and PWU are perhaps not the best options for most of them.

Good luck future (Unaccredited) Dr. RJIT

 

Re: Bashing again??

 

Re: Clarity

Depends on what you mean. On one hand, I treat *everyone* as a peer. That's true of the garbage man, and it's true of the Oxford don. If the former says something astute and intelligent, I will acknowledge it. If the latter says something naive and inane, I will sneer. In my experience artists and intellectuals often work disgusting day-jobs, and bigshots are often complete clowns outside their own narrow field of expertise.

Nevertheless, I won't accept your K-W "degree" as being equivalent to what a B.S. normally means. I don't believe that it is. If it is your purpose on this discussion group to turn every thread into a discussion of you and K-W until we give you the recognition that you demand, I think that you are going to be continually disappointed.

Eric Hoffer was a pretty cool writer who worked his entire life as a San Francisco longshoreman. I respect that a lot. But I would have had a lot less respect for him if he had pretended to hold degrees and positions that he had not earned. Of course, he always had the option to earn a degree or to seek another tonier job, and he simply chose not to. He never pretended. That's the key.

And I worked my way through my undergraduate years by studying part time while working. Part of that was rather degrading stuff like washing dishes.

(Actually that was one of the coolest jobs I ever held: heavy-duty catering, serving banquets to thousands of people at a time. I enjoyed it a lot. It's organized like a military campaign, and I still have a deep appreciation for the rather amazing back-stage world of quantity-cookery.)

So what are you saying? That because you had to struggle, that you should now be allowed easier standards?

My bottom line: I respect people who have to work for what they have. I respect people who value education for its own sake. I even respect people that seek that education from state-approved schools, if those schools meet their needs. But while all education is valuable, that emphatically isn't the case for degrees and certifications, which must meet the expected standard or else they are worthless. I'll respect your interest in education, but I won't respect your K-W degree.

 

RA is Global - State is Not

I would have to agree.

A degree that is state recognized may not be accepted by the other 49 states. However, a degree that is RA is recognized by all 50 states. Therein lies the difference.

RJT, would you consider getting a bachelors degree that is RA? It is readily accessible and is easily within your reach and it would be recognized by everyone.

 

Isn't Bashment the capital of one of those post-Soviet Stans in Central Asia? Maybe KW could concurrent get Liscenced their?

 

Bashkoruptostan is an area where corrupt people with substandard degrees live. They also like to go to liscenced schools instead of licensed schools because those people living in Xstan places just love extra s's.

P.S. Dear moderator, if I've stepped over the line with my post then you should ban my uncle janko because he made me do it.

 

Re: Re: Wait a minute.

Bill, I am in total agreement. I would take it one step further though. With some exception most ACCREDITED distance learning only schools also make no contribution to the intellectual life of this nation. There are a few grads from Union, Capella, Walden etc who may have produced good studies. Seems more like the exception than the rule. Albeit, I would still take an accredited doctorate over an unaccredited one any day.

 

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Re: Re: Re: Wait a minute.

I agree with you. Most of the academic contributions to intellectual life come from the grads of your traditional (probably upper tiers) universities. This is a somewhat self perpetuating system. That is not to say that there are not exceptions such a those without degrees or the poster boy for unaccredited degrees (John Gray), or Stephen Olford/Zodhiates from LRS (both campus & DL). A great academic may arise from the ranks of Walden, Capella or American Christian College and Seminary but far more likely from those upper tier schools.

I also agree with taking the accredited doctorate over the unaccredited. There is almost no reason to do any unaccredited doctorate these days (not subject matter-nor cost-nor convenience). Some of the sketchy things posted here about unaccredited programs are sad. It is depressing to think of those folks running aorund as *Dr.*. This is probably where the notion comes from when someone says "I know a PhD who cannot think his way out of a paper bag". It may be the PhD does not have a real PhD just a *legal* one.

North

 

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That's right, and here I come!

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{smile}

And hopefully carrying forward the banner of Calvinistic/Reformed doctrine (biblical doctrine).

North

 

vexilla Bezae prodeunt?

 

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dioko eis to brabeion tes ano kleseos tou theou en Christo Iesou!

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There. Now idnat bettern runnin Hogg wild?

 

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aphilarguron dats de goal!

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