RA MBA for $3000? Hellenic American University

Discussion in 'Business and MBA degrees' started by Acolyte, Jan 28, 2021.

  1. Courcelles

    Courcelles Active Member

    CHEA recognizes accreditors, they don’t accredit anything themselves.
  2. sideman

    sideman Well Known Member

    California Coast University is recognized as an accredited college (DEAC--National Accreditor) by the U.S. Department of Education and also reviewed and recognized by CHEA (Council of Higher Education Alliance). So it certainly is legitimate. There has been an ongoing debate on this forum for eons regarding the pros and cons of regionally accredited schools vs. nationally accredited ones. And it seems like some are just lying in wait to open up a one-sided dialogue about it at anytime. Everyone that visits this forum has the right to decide what is right for themselves after listening to all arguments, not just one. However, until someone, and I mean someone that is vetted and verified, from the U.S. Department of Education comes on this forum and says that all or some nationally accredited schools are illegitimate, then it's just a biased opinion.
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  3. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    There's a scene in Futurama where Bender the robot is watching the Olympics and says "Something tells me I could easily beat those trained professionals."

    Accreditation is clearly not the only measure of quality (otherwise Walden/Capella doctorates would be on the same footing as nonprofit B&M schools and we know they're not), but I think it's a reasonable barometer at the undergrad and professional levels.
  4. Futuredegree

    Futuredegree Well-Known Member

    Is anyone starting the program March 29th or has already started the program?
  5. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    Interesting. They're newly RA (WASC), as of a week ago. What does it mean to be a shelter school?

    If this article (https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/california-institute-of-advanced-management/student-life/international/) is to be believed - and I have one eyebrow firmly raised - "[t]here are approximately 67 international students at California Institute of Advanced Management; they make up 95.7% of all total students" that would imply they have just a few domestic students.
  6. Dr. Mayes

    Dr. Mayes New Member

    I believe they have zero domestic students currently, they exist to allow Chinese nationals stay and work in the United States, it is a scam, but now they want to become a legitimate player or at least the perception of a real school with accreditation. At 6k the demand might allow for this far-fetched dream? There’s a Chinese benefactor that pumps Millions of dollars to keep CiAM doors open. Some MBA’s students don’t even speak English. Check out their virtual graduation on YouTube 2020.

  7. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    Is it a scam, though? They get a real education (real enough to get recently accredited apparently), and then qualify for OPT. During their OPT their employer can choose to sponsor them for an H1B visa, which 65,000 people receive each year. If their employers don't sponsor them or they don't win the lotto, they go home. They don't have any more eligibility to stay than a student from any other school.

    Those graduates in the video all appeared to have decent English skills. Much better than my Mandarin (or my French for that matter!)
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  8. Dr. Mayes

    Dr. Mayes New Member

    Totally agree, my point was the amount of domestic students. Finally, Claremont graduate school is the guru on Peter Drucker, yet CiAM plays on them, Drucker, California, and maybe even some confusion on imitating CALTECH in Pasadena.
    Trickery, bamboozle, or the real deal?

    Trick or Treat
  9. Dr. Mayes

    Dr. Mayes New Member

  10. smartdegree

    smartdegree Active Member

    CIAM looks like a legit school. Much more legit than, say, Quantic and Uof People, particularly with the Regional Accreditation. Everything checks out I think about this school. Just because their student base is international does not mean they are a bad school - they are just a niche player I think. Their graduates sound way more polished in terms of speaking/presenting than a lot of my international MBA classmates at UT Dallas (a top 35 ranked full-time program).

    For $6k, that's a steal I think given the benefits (OPT work permit in the US, US MBA degree). No, it's not prestigious at all, but it will fill the needs of certain internationals (looking to migrate to the US) without the 100K in tuition Drucker charges.
  11. chrisjm18

    chrisjm18 Well-Known Member

    I didn't know that CiAM gained RA accreditation. I know when they were DEAC accredited.
  12. smartdegree

    smartdegree Active Member

    Look like they were accredited back in 2019.

    WASC has good things to say about CIAM:

    "The Commission commends California Institute of Advanced Management in particular for the following:
    1. Impressive progress in aligning course, program, and institutional learning outcomes that allow for the authentic assessment of student learning and continuous improvement.
    2. Support of its full-time and adjunct faculty in collectively developing and establishing student learning outcomes and developing appropriate tools to measure those outcomes.
    3. Commitment of faculty—both full-time and adjunct—in carrying out the institution’s mission and sharing in the academic decision making.
    4. Successful enrollment growth during these unprecedented times, especially in a degree area that has seen year-over-year national declines. "
  13. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    When I was at Virginia International University they were probably 97% or more F-1 students, although from a variety of countries. It wasn't a scam, that was just the target markets in their business model.
  14. Futuredegree

    Futuredegree Well-Known Member

    Did anyone start the program on 03/29?
  15. AsianStew

    AsianStew Moderator Staff Member

    Futuredegree, hey, how is it going? Did you defer your entry?
  16. Futuredegree

    Futuredegree Well-Known Member

    Yup till June 7th.
  17. Acolyte

    Acolyte Active Member

    Update: Got an email a few days ago stating they had room for June 7th term start and September 7th term start - so it looks like they have extended this opportunity in case anyone thought they missed out.
  18. TeacherBelgium

    TeacherBelgium Well-Known Member

    Looks super interesting.
    If I hadn't already so many XAMK classes and a working week of 40 hours, I would have enrolled too.
    3000$ is super cheap for a real mba.
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  19. TeacherBelgium

    TeacherBelgium Well-Known Member

    Still toying with the idea to enroll.
    Can't get it out of my head.
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  20. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    It's inexpensive, but what are you giving up in exchange? How would you use the credential? That's how I would evaluate whether it makes sense to pursue it or not.

    Also, I think you ran into the issue with Quantic where you don't have an undergraduate degree and I think that may be an issue here too.
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