Question for those teaching online

Discussion in 'Online & DL Teaching' started by Randell1234, May 3, 2009.

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  1. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator Staff Member

    I have noticed that it has been taken me about 30% more time to teach the same classes. The average class size increased by about 25% (20 students to 25 students). While there is not a pay cut they get you on the other side. Am I the only one that is experiencing this?
     
  2. cookderosa

    cookderosa Resident Chef

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    I'm interested to hear what other people say on this. This January I have a new on line section of my F2F class. Are you saying that the additional time is in addition to your 3 hours gained by not lecturing? That's where I'm counting on a real advantage.
     
  3. scaredrain

    scaredrain Member

    I touched on this in another thread, but this is the trend. Two of my online courses have gone from 20 students to 30 students and so yes its taking more time to grade students online. I am an instructional design/technology consultant for another university and they stated that they are moving to this model also to save money by not offering as many sections so they do not have to pay more adjuncts.
     
  4. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    Yes, but I have also noticed that new programs pay you per student and not by class. This helps the school to run classes with very few students (Sometime 3 and 4) but the instructor is taking a substantial pay cut. Teaching 15 students take about the same effort than teaching 3 or 4 but you are taking a substantial pay cut.
     
  5. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    Your perception is accurate and is a common complaint in recent times. The complaints and groaning will increase. Eventually, there will be slave wages for online adjuncts. :eek: It's all about supply and demand; as long as the supply of online adjuncts increases at an explosive rate, there will be a correlative decrease in pay to an increase in the number of students in each course. BTW, what in the hell are you doing here? Shouldn't you be grading papers? :eek: ;) Now get back to work as an online adjunct! Get cracking!!! :mad: ;)

    The book "How to make 100k teaching online" has helped to lead to this situation -- and the pay will get worse! :rolleyes:
     
  6. AV8R

    AV8R Active Member

    I'm afraid you're right. Aspiring adjuncts aren't the only ones aware of this book. I'm sure a copy is sitting on the bookshelves of every adjunct coordinator out there. They know the techniques and strategies.
     
  7. scaredrain

    scaredrain Member

    I havent seen this happening yet, most online colleges that I know of are still paying a flat fee and adding more students.
     
  8. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    Actually, the school where you are studying your doctorate pays per student for undergraduate.
     
  9. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    Actually, The Babb group (http://drdaniellebabb.com/) not only promotes the book but seminars across the US. Dr Babbs seems to be making more than 100K just telling people how to make 100K by staying at home.

    Fast track doctorates have also contributed to the saturation of online adjuncts.

    I teach at 3 online schools, I got these positions between 5 to 10 years ago. I have applied recently to few new schools without any luck. It seems that it is just getting to hard to get new positions given the number of available doctorate graduates.
     
  10. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    Supply & Demand

    I applied to teach graduate students in an online program and was interviewed for the position by the dean; she said that she was stunned by the sheer number of qualified doctoral holders that applied for the position. It's all about supply and demand e.g. there's an oversupply of doctoral holders who are seeking these positions. What's sad is that the book (How to make 100k teaching online) gives the erroneous impression that teaching online is a cakewalk way to make eeeeeeasy money when, in fact, it's a lot of work and is extremely time consuming. Too many people have the false belief that it's a financial gravy train, no thanks to that book.
     
  11. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    It was expected, before holding a doctorate required you to go to a 5 year residential program and now it is possible to do it part time in less time.

    The AACSB route seems to be the way to go but it is not going to take long before you have also fast track AACSB doctorates offered online.

    I went last week to a meeting for new doctorate graduates at one University that I teach. At least in Canada, it seems that the trend is to hire less faculty due to few factors such as budget cuts, online courses and less babies. It seems that some online courses are enrolling up to 300 students and this reduces the need for faculty. The presenter gave few career options as community college teaching, consulting, etc as it seems that new graduates are just not getting hired.
     
  12. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator Staff Member

    Let's get some torches and kill the writers! ;)
     
  13. PhD2B

    PhD2B Dazed and Confused

    What annoyed me a while back was when Babbs joined the DegreeInfo forum to promote her book. Her stay here was only long enough to promote her book and answer a few questions.

    I agree with me again. Teaching online can be very time consuming. In my opinion, if you teach online and you don't find it time consuming, then you're doing something wrong and you're doing your students a disservice.
     
  14. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    ROFLMBO Too funny!
     
  15. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator Staff Member


    That is what I was thinking!
     
  16. PhD2B

    PhD2B Dazed and Confused

  17. AV8R

    AV8R Active Member

    Well, after re-reading that old thread, you have to admit that she wasn't exactly welcomed with open arms. Calling her a "spammer" after her first post I'm sure didn't give her a warm fuzzy feeling about degreeinfo.
     
  18. cookderosa

    cookderosa Resident Chef

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    That's an understatement LOL.
     
  19. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    Ahhhh the future of online adjuncting is revealed!!! You can make more money as a part-time crew manager at Burger King! :cool:
     
  20. Anthony Pina

    Anthony Pina Active Member

    I read Dani Babb's book and did not get that impression at all. Now, I am not shilling for her book; however, I was pleased to find that she was quite up front about the fact that teaching several courses at several institutions simultaneously was a huge amount of work and that adjunct faculty cannot become disengaged from their classes or they would not be asked to come back (precisely because competition exists). I have had to "relieve" more than one faculty member from teaching online due to lack of engagement.
     

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