PhD/DBA in business or organizational behavior that meets every requirement?

On a seperate note, but one that was on topic from the original posting. Grenoble, you can concertrate on OBE, and it is AACSB.

 

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Mark,

Thanks for all the answers, it seems that you have made a lot of homework about Rushmore. If you feel it is going to help you and it is something that satisfies you, then you should go for it. I personally cannot afford to spend efforts on an unaccredited degree since my paycheck depends on it. At the end of the day, there is something for everyone in this world.

 

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Thanks for the references about Dr. Pfeffer, I was not reading the full article version so I did not see the complete work. Yes, it seems like he did a lot of research about this and there is evidence that business schools are not as effective.

It is an interesting article that is an eye opener, I don't think that Rushmore idea is wrong. My problem is that they don't seem to be serious enough to put a real school that is on accreditation track. Even DETC acceditation would be good enough but they just don't seem to be interested.

 

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Paul, I agree that Rushmore and schools like it will have a long future.

On the subject of rationalizations, I am amazed at the rationalizations by the supporters of accreditation and business schools with obsolete curriculums.

 

Mark, among some of my difficulties with your positions are your adamancy that, as it relates to Rushmore, "...The facts are plain to see that Rushmore model for education is superior to that of the accredited business schools.". Of course, the facts are not at all plain on that. That you can conclude that the facts are “plain” simply by reading the understandably biased information on their site is difficult to understand.

You also hang much on this idea that Rushmore is better, not because of solid instructional design, but because the students write papers. Maybe you are not aware that many, many, many, many schools of both the DL variety and traditional variety base the preponderance of learning assessment on written research papers as well. You must certainly know that Rushmore did not invent this type of learning assessment.

Another point you make is that, at Rushmore, each course is custom. My PhD is in instructional design. I will not bore you with dry commentary on the subject, but the notion that a course should have well defined general learning outcomes and very specific learning objectives written into each course, with clear and concise rubrics, is neither novel nor inhibiting to cutting edge learning. If you do not design up front how instruction supports clearly defined learning objectives you cannot assess what learning has taken place and in what context that learning is relevant.

Rushmore is no more innovative than any one of many dozen other legitimately accredited schools that assess learning through practical projects and papers. You may have bought into the hype on the website, but this is far from either novel or new.

There remains one huge distinction between Rushmore, that uses research papers as an assessment tool, and other legitimately accredited schools that use research papers as assessment tools - that difference is what makes Rushmore bogus in the academic world - accreditation.

You have allowed yourself to come to believe their content and or processes are somehow new or unique. I can tell you from my experience as a working professional and an academician that they are neither. If you take up with Rushmore, no doubt you will learn some things. That is never a bad thing. I wish you well.

 

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RF, from what I can tell from prior posting on newsgroups and fro information they gave me personally, they did look at accreditation seriously. For example they were members of the ACBSP for a couple of years and some their faculty actually went to their national conventions. They applied for the accreditation process after they moved to Grand Cayman but were turned down because Cayman did not have approve or accredit them (they apparently do not do this for any schools that are there).

On the other hand they did do some stupid things six or seven years ago such as starting a accreditation organization. They now apologize for this. They also joined a non-recognized accreditation association 2002 quitting it after 3 months.

They told me they looked at DETC but could not see how they would be approved since each students program was custom and writing-based.

Maybe things wil change at the DETC someday or there will be some new organization that will form for schools with an unusual approach like Rushmore's.

 

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Mark, identify for me the basis for your conclusion that traditional programs provide obsolete curriculums (from a source other than a Rushmore faculty).

 

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Mark, this is an example of where either you are consciously rationalizing or are willingly buying into utter nonsense. The DETC nor the NCA would deny accreditation because of the use of research papers as an assessment medium. They simply would not and if you are being told this you are being lied to. Period.

 

One last note before I call it a night. Jeffrey Pfeffer makes clear in his, "The End of Business Schools? Less Success Than Meets the Eye", that the winner in resolving this problem could very likely be the traditional programs that evolve and not, "...the casual empiricism and hyping of the latest fad that characterizes much, although not all, of the research that comes out of nonacademic sources...", which is, I believe, where Rushmore might fit in.

There are too many legitimately accredited schools already doing what you think only Rushmore is doing to give credence to Rushmore's hype of unique positioning.

I think that it might be rather easy to assess the practical, real world value of a rather traditional Oklahoma State University doctoral program in the success of Dr. Cox's, Rushmore business venture.