Only a few universities provide the majority of faculty: CIS, business, history

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  1. warguns

    warguns Member

  2. foobar

    foobar Member

  3. CalDog

    CalDog New Member

    It's the latter. For example, there are hundreds -- maybe thousands -- of business programs in the US, but this study only looked at the 112 business schools that were numerically ranked in the 2012 edition of US News & World Report ranking. Unranked or unlisted business schools were not included.
     
  4. warguns

    warguns Member

    "elite"

    112 is hardly an elite. It includes Northern Arizona, which is far, far, from an "elite" institution, even in Arizona.

    There are 454 institutions that offer the MBA in the US. A quarter is not an elite.
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    I think it would be fairer to state that there are over 300 MBA schools that are mediocre or worse.
     
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  5. CalDog

    CalDog New Member

    There are a lot more than 454 institutions that offer the MBA in the US. The 454 number is for AACSB schools, which are the only kind that USN&WR ranks. For example, the 2015 USN&WR ranking states:

    Note that the study in question used the 2012 rankings, so the number is slightly different (453 vs 454). In any case, the study focused on the top-ranked quarter of AACSB MBA programs -- not the top quarter of all MBA programs.

    There are large numbers of non-AACSB MBA programs that are ACBSP accredited, or IACBE accredited, or regionally accredited with no professional accreditation, or nationally accredited by DETC or ACCSC or ACICS. The total number has to be somewhere in the thousands. If you think about it that way, then maybe being in the top 112 isn't so shabby.

    There are currently four AACSB MBA programs in AZ. Of those, NAU is currently ranked fourth (behind ASU, UA, and Thunderbird). OK, by that standard, NAU is not very "elite". In fact, NAU was probably close to the rankings cut-off. I don't have access to the 2012 rankings used in the study, but the current USN&WR business school rankings put NAU at 104.

    However, let's not forget there are plenty of other non-AACSB MBA programs in Arizona, at schools like the University of Phoenix (multiple campuses), Embry-Riddle (multiple campuses), Webster University, Devry (multiple campuses), Grand Canyon University, Northcentral, and Brookline. If NAU is "far, far, from an "elite" insitution, even in Arizona", then how would you describe the many non-AACSB schools ?
     
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  6. warguns

    warguns Member

    non-elite MBA programs in Arizona

    University of Phoenix (multiple campuses), Embry-Riddle (multiple campuses), Webster University, Devry (multiple campuses), Grand Canyon University , Northcentral, and Brookline . If NAU is "far, far, from an "elite" insitution, even in Arizona", then how would you describe the many non-AACSB schools ?

    I would describe them as schools where I would not waste my time or money at and who's degrees (excluding Embry-Riddle in it's specialization) as very nearly worthless.

    I suggest attending an MBA program that does not advertise on the radio like it was a muffler shop. This suggests that the standards are not high.
     
  7. TEKMAN

    TEKMAN Semper Fi!

    I was at Lovefield Airport, Dallas, Texas; I saw lot of advertisement on part-time and executive MBA programs from Southern Methodist University, University of Texas at Austin, and Baylor University. Recently, I see lot of advertisement for top public university. Even Western Governors University in Texas, almost misleading the prospective student by putting the slogan "University for Texas." That sounds like University of Texas, and since WGU - Texas is in Austin, they should change their name to University for Texas at Austin. lol
     
  8. CalDog

    CalDog New Member

    According to ACBSP, there were about 2,400 business schools in the US in 1988, when ACBSP was founded. The number has to be even higher today.

    ACBSP was founded because the oldest business accreditor, AACSB, would only admit a small minority of the existing business schools. According to ACBSP, only about 15% of the 2,400 schools in 1988 were able to qualify for AACSB accreditation. This implies that there were about 360 AACSB schools in the US at that time.

    Today, there are about 450 AACSB schools. If we assume that AACSB is still exclusive, and still only accredits around 15% of the total, then there should be around 3,000 business schools in the US today.
     
  9. warguns

    warguns Member

    number of b schools

    I'm afraid that you are missing the point entirely. This thread is about GRADUATE (UK: post-graduate) business schools and other graduate programs. The numbers you are referring to are undergraduate programs.
     
  10. CalDog

    CalDog New Member

    You're right, those numbers would be inflated by undergraduate-only business programs. However, the number of graduate business programs in the US is clearly still in the four-figure range. For example, it's not difficult to search the online databases at the AACSB, ACBSP, and IACBE websites for US master's-level programs specifically, and this yields hits of about 425, 525, and 100 respectively.

    So the total is already over 1,000. But on top of that, we would have to add:

    - MBA programs that are RA, but not professionally accredited by AACSB or ACBSP or IACBE;
    - MBA programs that are NA, with accreditation from agencies like DEAC or ACCSC or ACICS;
    - MBA programs that are state-licensed but unaccredited.

    It would be a difficult number to tabulate exactly. The point is simply that it is a four-digit number, not a three-digit number.
     
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  11. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member Staff Member

    And let's not forget MBA programs that are accredited by TRACS.
     

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