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Re: Pedophilia

About a half-dozen or so that involved children

I think the key thing there is "identified". I have a strong suspicion that the majority of the incidents in that study involved male homosexual behavior, and that the abuser considered himself heterosexual. IMO, once you start having sex with members of the same gender, you're no longer heterosexual.

As an aside, all pedophiles (regardless of orientation) have to either be locked away forever, or executed. They cannot be rehabilitated.

 

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The difference is that pedophiles are sexual attracted to children. The sex of the child is sometimes relative. There are all kind of social reasons why it is easier for male pedophiles to have access to male children, though I think people are starting to be more careful.

Homosexuals are attracted to the same sex, not to children.

 

I don't have the time right now to look up verifying sources, but if memory serves me correctly, everything I have ever read on this subject indicates that most pedophiles know their victim, and in many cases are related. Most pedophiles do not engage in adult homosexual acts since they are attracted to children. Obviously there are exceptions, but I think to talk about homosexual pedophilia is a bit misleading. Pedophiles are pedophiles and homosexuals are homosexual ... rarely have studies found that pedophiles also led an active adult homosexual lifestyle. If memory serves me correctly, in cases where it was identified that the pedophile also had intercourse with adults, in most cases the adult activity was heterosexual.

Again, operating off of my memory here.


*EDIT: Edited for clarification*

 

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But there are homosexuals who are pedophiles, the same as there are heterosexuals who are pedophiles.

It would be very interesting to see the true rates of pedophilia among the different sexual orientations. It would be impossible, though, as every male-to-male sexual abuser I ever interviewed was adamant that they were heterosexual.

 

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Yes, pedophiles would come in both types.

To make the distiction between gay and hetero, you would have to find out what kind of partner the pedophile had normal sex with. If a pedophile is a male married to a female and never had sex with an adult male, then he is a hetero pedophile, no matter what the sex of his victum.

To say that most male / boy rapes automatically make the male a homosexual is to ignore his basic heterosexual nature, a nature that is corruped by being a pedophile and has nothing to do with being gay.

 

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No, he would be, at the very least, bi-sexual. Once you start having sex with the same gender (regardless of age), you're no longer heterosexual.

As Thorsen mentioned, pedophiles very rarely have a "normal" adult sex life. I can't remember how many of the pedophiles I dealt with were married, but I do remember that most of them were. The wives that did agree to talk to me all stated that they either never had sex with their husbands, or on the rare occasions they did, he had some trouble performing (to put it nicely).

If a married man is not having sex with his wife or any other female, and his only sexual activity is with young boys, what is his sexual orientation?

 

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I would say that once he had sex with an underage child, he is a a pedophile. Whether he is gay or straight is incidental to being a pedophile.

The point here is that their sexual desires are for children. To most pedophiles the sex of the child doesn't matter. A pedophile that calls himself heterosexual would not be able to have sex with an adult male either. You are also making the false assumption that gays cannot perform with females.

Hetero or gay is not as clear cut as most people think, either to the person or society. There are societies were as long as the male is a "top" and only dallies once in a while, he is still considered, and considers himself hetero.

Do you think that experimenting as a teen once or twice either way decides your sexual orientation forever?

 

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I disagree. In my experiences, the sex of the child was paramount. The pictures & videos we seized were always all-male or all-female.

No, I'm not. Please point out where I said that.

Not in my society. There is a rather crude quote by Andrew Dice Clay that I'll refrain from mentioning here.

Of course not. I'm referring to sustained, pathological behavior.

For whatever reason, you seem to want to paint me as being anti-homosexual. I really don't care how people conduct their personal lives, I'm just relating my own experiences.

 

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I should have worded that better. The point I was trying to make was that age was more important than sex. I have no doubt that a pedophile might have a preference but a man whose sexual orientation is straight could prefer either sex as long as the age was right.


[/B][/QUOTE] No, I'm not. Please point out where I said that. [/B][/QUOTE]

"As Thorsen mentioned, pedophiles very rarely have a "normal" adult sex life. I can't remember how many of the pedophiles I dealt with were married, but I do remember that most of them were. The wives that did agree to talk to me all stated that they either never had sex with their husbands, or on the rare occasions they did, he had some trouble performing (to put it nicely)."

You implications in this statement is they are homosexual because they prefer boys and cannot preform with females.

[/B][/QUOTE] For whatever reason, you seem to want to paint me as being anti-homosexual. I really don't care how people conduct their personal lives, I'm just relating my own experiences. [/B][/QUOTE]

With a relatively small sample of cases you reached the conclusion that homosexuals make up the majority of pedophiles. This seems anti-gay to me.

If you did not mean it that way, I apologize if I offended you.

 

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No, I reached the conclusion that the majority of pedophiles are not heterosexual. They are bi-sexual or homosexual.

No apology necessary. Trust me....after 3+ years on this board, I have very thick skin.

 

Re: Re: Nothing to back it up

Deb & DL-Luvr,

I was reacting to the idea equating pedophilia with homosexuality and expressed one body of data (among many) that did not seem to support this idea.

The definition of homosexual found in the several dictionaries at my immediate disposal is "Of, relating to, or having a sexual orientation to persons of the same sex." There is no mention of age. This was the basis for my use of the term "male homosexual", as opposed to "male heterosexual", "female heterosexual" or "female homosexual". I am used to using the more exact terms, as opposed to euphemisms, such as "gay" and "straight" when I write, so I apologize if these terms are offensive to anyone. (Yes, I do use the terms "male heterosexual" and "female heterosexual").

My point was simply this: If...

...somewhere between 2.8% (University of Chicago) and 8-10% (Alfred Kinsey) of the general population is oriented toward sexual attraction toward their same gender...

and

...between 30%-40% of those who committed sexual acts with children are oriented toward sexual attraction toward their same gender...

..Then there is a higher population of those who are sexually oriented toward those of their same gender among the latter specific population than among the former general population.

This data does not really allow one to make assumptions about the general population (hence the homosexual-pedophile direct link among the general population is not supported).

Now there are many other bodies of data that can be brought to bear on this question, but this is not a thread dealing specifically with this issue. I'm not trying to "gay bash" here. The scientific study of sexual orientation, pedophilia and many other topics is still far from conclusive--there is much that we have left to learn. The fact that we still see Kinsey's (1948) 10% figure used as authoritative (no large study in the past 25 years has been able to replicate that figure), shows that we still have a ways to go in our research.

If it was found that the average man who molests girls has 100 victims and the average man who molests boys has 10 victims, would that affect the data? Sure. We are disadvantaged by the fact that so much of the available data is "self-reported", so we must rely on the honesty of the respondents regarding their actions, feelings, orientations, etc.

Tony