Medical University of the Americas

Not at all. I wouldn't hesitate to be examined by a physician who earned their M.D. in the U.K., Australia, or Israel, to give some examples.

Before my twins were born, we were searching for a pediatrician. Our first choice (before we knew her background) was a woman who earned her M.D. from an off-shore college. I immediately crossed her off the list, and decided on a physician who earned his M.D. from the University of Pittsburgh.

 

Looking at the comments above...all I can say is "I rest my case"

See my post above.

PS. I re-iterate these students are not jumping through loopholes or regulations. Please take care to re-read my post if anyone still does not understand the US licencing system, or even better phone your State Medical Board.

Bozzy.

 

I am not attacking foreign medical schools. There are some excellent medical schools in Canada, UK, South Africa, Europe and Australia. The issue here MUA and the quality of physicians it graduates. I would have no problem being examined by a physician who graduated from a foreign university. I would hesitate if the doctor was a graduate of MUA.

 

Christiaan Barnard went to Cape Town (Groote Schuur), which was (and remains) a world-class institution. And he went to University of Minnesota, which is where he learned cardiac surgery (previously he had been a general surgeon).

 

Medical school is where these physicians learn the theoretical parts of their job. Their practical education comes during their residency and internship. Since they must be matched to a residency & internship, I would find that a better indication of the quality of training they received. Then there's board certification, which is not required, but is a good indication of knowledge and ability.

I would rather have a graduate of an offshore school who completed his training at quality medical institutions than someone who just sqeaked by at a major medical university, and was perhaps selected for his residency because his grandfather was well regarded in the medical community.

Then of course the issue of pre-med. You don't even have to do a premed program to go to medical school. You need specific prerequisite courses and good GPA. The doctors I have know with the best bedside manners did not go the pre-med route; one of the best even has a BA in music.

 

Didn't you mention her degree was from Poland? Hardly a place for an "off-shore" school.

 

That's exactly what they do. Didn't you read the above comment?

P. S. I met some Russian-borm (and trained) physicians. USMLE is notoriously hard, people literally spend years preparing for it. If MUA graduates can pass it (and, let's not forget about internship and residency!), they are qualified physicians.

 

MUA nursing, bachelors and Ph.D degree

The medical school is not distance study. My question applies to the nursing programs and Doctorate offered. The Bachelor's degree and Master's degree in Nursing are 100 % nonresident and fairly quick. One student received a Master's in Nursing in 6 months. Are these degrees useful to RNs in the U.S.A- acceptable to ANCC Or for transfer to advanced study? Would one have to have this degree evaluated by a Foreign Evaluation Equivalency Service since their Office is located in Gardner, MA.? The medical school is acceptable to the W.H.O and it's graduates can take the E.C.F.M.G. What accreditation would make their Nursing degree or Doctorate useful in the U.S.A? Thanks for any responses.

 

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-Laferney


I don't know for sure but I don't see a problem using the title "BSN, RN" or "MSN, RN" after your name.

As far as ANCC approved schools accepting them for transfer you should ask them. Try University of Phoenix or St. Louis University or Excelsior College schools of nursing and see if they would let you into their MSN or PHD program with a BSN or MSN from MUA. I would love to hear the answer since I am an RN as well.

 

Laferney, another organization to ask is the Commision on Graduates of Foreign nursing Schools http://www.cgfns.org/cgfns/index.html

 

MSN

I just recieved the catalog in teh mail yesterday. For various MSN related certification such as NP or CNS you will need to take additional courses, but this may let you into a post masters certificate. This seems similar to masters by thesis/research looks interesting I am considering this as a possible MSN program mysef. If you are looking to advanced practice some states are starting to require that the masters degree is in a universtiy accredited by the NLN so depending on your future plans this may work it may not.
Jeremy

 

Poor wording on my part. When I typed "off-shore", I really meant medical schools that, IMO, didn't measure up to US medical schools.

As a former prisoner of the Soviet Union, you would surely agree that medical education in Soviet-bloc countries was sub-standard when compared to US medical schools?

 

It is interesting to note that MUA is listed on the State of Oregon's unaccredited degrees website
http://www.osac.state.or.us/oda/unaccredited.html

 

Medical service, maybe. Medical education, I'm not so sure about that.

Personally, I'll be more comfortable with xUSSR-trained, US-licensed physician. First, I have much respect for US licensing system and even more respect for individuals who went through it. Second, good Russian doctors (as opposed to AVERAGE ones) tend to be better diagnosticians, since they are used to cope without expensive equipment. And, more importantly, they are not trained to avoid making decisions in order to avoid responcibility, as it is way too common in American system.

On what facts do you base your conclusion on quality of Communist bloc schools? Please don't tell me it's USMLE results statistics

 

As a matter of fact, yes. You state "I have much respect for US licensing system and even more respect for individuals who went through it", so obviously it's a credible standard in your view. Shall we compare pass rates for US vs. USSR medical schools?

Call me xenophobic if you like, but I'll always take a graduate from even a non-prestigious US medical school over any Soviet-bloc medical school.

 

Bruce,

I'm shocked. Shocked, I say. From a guy with a graduate degree, I expected better analytical skills. I'll just mention one factor you've apparently missed: LANGUAGE BARRIER. Is it THAT hard to understand? Come on!!!!!!!

 

Even more of a reason for my wanting a US physician. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect my physician to understand what I'm telling him.

One of the many great things about this country is that I get to pick my primary care physician. I'll stick with graduates of US medical schools, thank you very much. You can do as you choose.

 

It can take graduates of US Medical Schools

a couple of tries to pass certification tests. If a graduate of a US school takes several attempts to pass the exam are they still better than a foreign graduate whom passes on the first attempt? Just to be devils advocate here.

 

When I look at the credentials of most of the people who post on these boards, I have to laugh when they pass judgement on those who have completed one of the most difficult exam processes in this country. Do you realize the amount of education it took to pass all three steps of the United States Medical Licensing exam? Each step is a 2 day exam and encompasses a minimum of seven years of graduate and post graduate level training! They also have to complete a minimum of 3 years of post graduate training (residency) here in the united states before a license is given. And then they have to take a board certification exam on top of all this which is even harder than any step of the USMLE. If they have the intelligence to pass this exam process, they sure possess the intelligence to practice medicine anywhere in the world, regardless of where they went to medical school.

For instance, this guy Bruce...
A.S. (Criminal Justice) Quincy College
B.A. (Criminal Justice) Curry College
M.A. (Criminal Justice) University of Massachusetts-Lowell

Outside of UMass (not to mention Lowell is not a prestigious institution), who has heard of any of those colleges?

 

Irony. There is a lot of judgement passed on this forum, and I agree with your post except for the above. You just complained about someone passing judgement, and then passed judgement on that person yourself. Is this not the pot calling the kettle black?