Medical School Now Possible via Distance learning!

Discussion in 'Nursing and medical-related degrees' started by japhy4529, Aug 22, 2007.

  1. BlueMason

    BlueMason Audaces fortuna juvat

    erm... the original thread is nearly 10 months old.. Secondly, the comparison you draw to delta's search of online med schools is rather childish (not to mention, "you like" should be "you're like", and "his" should be "its").

    The people here who seek credible information generally also want the scrutiny of those of us who have knowledge in distance learning. In case you haven't noticed, this entire forum is here to aid people seeking to further their education through non-traditional means. As such, and given that you only have two posts, perhaps you should refrain from attacking people who make credible, well informed posts.
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  2. Chip

    Chip Administrator


    You are a brand new poster, bumping a year-old post as your first contribution to our community. This community has been around since 2001, and some of the posters here have known each other since way before that. So when you speak of "we" not having time to read bickerings, I'm not sure whom you're speaking of, but you are not speaking for the majority of Degreeinfo community members.

    If you spend some time reading through the archives, you'll find that one of the strongest suits of the Degreeinfo community is the willingness of community members to seek out information on new programs (good and bad) and tell it like it is.

    There is plenty of reason to be skeptical of online distance medical programs. Very, very few have been shown to anything other than fraudulent, and even those who seem or seemed to be making a genuine attempt to do something innovative have run into problems with acceptance of their programs by US medical accrediting, licensing, and testing bodies.

    As for "going to websites and verifying for ourselves"... well, again, if you read the archives, you'll find that, particularly for the unwonderful schools, websites are frequently not what they appear to be.

    I remember one school that had elaborate directions on how to get to the admissions building, "Inside the admistration building, up the stairs and to the left." A check of Google Maps revealed that this was likely the location of the school proprietor's master bedroom, since the campus address turned out to be a single family home in a residential area.

    So DegreeInfo, and people like Delta, serve the valuable purpose of sharing information, being openly skeptical, verifying information that sounds suspicious, and asking important questions that some may not have considered.

    I hope you'll think about that as you post in the future. I don't want to discourage you from posting, but only to ask that perhaps you could give a little more time and effort to understanding the community before making assumptions about posters or attempting to speak for the community as a whole.

    - Chip White
  3. BlackBird

    BlackBird Member

    I recently met a Ross University medical student and found out that they can take the USA medical test without having to do the test like those who have attended foreign schools. Ross Med Students have rotations with US schools and I think it is own by DeVry Institute?

  4. Delta

    Delta Active Member

    Facts vs. Opinions

    Word of advice and caution. Judging a DL school based on the website is foolish and dangerous. Plenty of fancy websites that are first class diploma mills.

    The facts and not "opinions".

    1. Is the medical school IMED listed?
    This is the first important step for qualifying the graduate to take the United State Medical Licensing exams. This listing basically means that the country the medical school operates out of recognizes the school. By the way, Oceania is IMED listed.

    2. Does the State you are going to be licensed in accept medical school via DL? Many do not!
    Here is the Oregon website.

    Here is the Michigan website:

    California list of approved medical schools: This list is important because many other states use the California list. ie: Indiana]



    I believe DL is a wonderful way to gain an education. Will it work for medical school? Maybe, maybe not. Anyone with half a brain should do their research before investing $100,000 plus into a foreign DL education.
  5. Tatu998

    Tatu998 New Member

    Mind-Body Medical University - Psychology & Holistic Medicine

    In my opinion, for the conventional medical schools, a lot of experimental and clinical practices require face-to-face settings, so those kinds of medical schools may be hard for students to learn.

    However holistic medicine and psychology should be perfect for online education. I found a great new school called Mind-Body Medical University. They integrate psychology and holistic medicine / alternative and complementary medicine into one degree program called Mind-Body Medicine. As a holistic doctor I know this is really good. I have oriental medicine master, but I may get their doctorate.

    Oh, actually they offer double degree PhD/PsyD + MBMD / mind-body medical doctor. I like those double degree concept, it makes sense as a whole being doctor. They are new, not credited yet, but they seem very honest and sincere, and work on it. I don't worry about that because I know they will get it. For their program their tuition is good compared to other private universities. The key is they offer much enriched courses and double degree.

    Here is their web page if anyone here interested:

  6. TMW2009

    TMW2009 New Member

  7. sshuang

    sshuang New Member

    Hi Tatu,

    Why do you think that MBMU will get the accreditation?
  8. Tatu998

    Tatu998 New Member

    Just my view

    Hi sshuang,

    In my understanding, accreditation depends on curriculum and faculty quality. Two these determine the education quality. I think their psychology program is traditional just like other psychology school's program, and their psychology faculty members have accredited doctorate degree. I can see they are serious about accreditation by reading the website statement. In other words, as new school, they have much more pressures and have to ward harder to grow. This must be the number one issue they care about.

    Regarding the mind-body medicine program, it is add-on program addition to psychology. It is extra curriculum beside psychology, should not affect the psychology program accreditation. The mind-body medicine program is new and there is no accrediting body related with that. Some other holistic schools also have no such accreditation, but still the practice can be certified and conducted. It is the most alternative medicine practitioners do except Acupuncture and Naturopathy. Because it is new movement, they are leading the field of mind-body medicine or this area grows by joint efforts from those professionals in the field. So it could be a natural process mind-body medicine becomes academic degree program.

    My point is the integration of psychology and alternative medicine will make their graduates much knowledgably and skilled as a mind-body practitioner instead of only psychology (talking doctor) or only alternative medicine; so it will truly deal with both the mind and body at the same time.

    Just my personal view to share.
  9. japhy4529

    japhy4529 House Bassist

    Hey, how dare you taint my 2 1/2 year old post with your shillspeak! :D
  10. Chip

    Chip Administrator

    OK, i was reasonably nice about this in the other post, and it got me nowhere.

    Tatu, you are a shill. You've admitted that you are working for the school, paid or not is irrelevant. Your views are not unbiased, yet you are representing yourself as unrelated to the school by characterizing the school as "they" when in reality, you are actively promoting them, and your only posts to this community are shilling for this program.

    If you don't quit shilling for this program you will (a) further damage the credibility of the school and (b) be banned from the community.

    I'd like to know what information you have on which to base this assumption. I don't think you'll find it to be true. The APA in particular has generally not looked favorably at schools offering nontraditional approaches to psychology. CIIS, one of the few APA approved schools that offers nontraditional approaches, has reportedly had issues with APA accreditation relating to their nontraditional approaches. JFK University and ITP have both attempted to get APA accreditation and my understanding is that they have run into issues related to their "non mainstream" approach. I'm not saying the school won't be able to pull it off, but the school is brand new, has no track record, and therefore nobody can say anything remotely meaningful at this point, unless you have written correspondence from APA on the subject.

    Additionally, as I said in the other post, I don't think APA will even consider accrediting a program that does not have regional accreditation, and the likeliood of achieving that for your school is probably pretty close to zero, unless you have a LOT of money and a much larger and more diverse faculty than you currently have. Even if you pass the hurdles, it takes years.

    Sorry, but this is millspeak. There are schools, such as JFK and ITP that are regionally accredited, that offer extensive coursework and even degrees in somatic psychology, which is essentially the same thing as mind-body medicine. Likewise, Bastyr and National are both regionally accredited schools offering holistic medical education curriculums that address, at least somewhat, the mind/body connection. There are also traditional medical schools that offer coursework in this field; Jon Kabat-Zinn's work with mindfulness-based meditation and its relationship with various illness is one example, as is Mehmet Oz and Dean Ornish's work.

    Furthermore, the other "holistic schools" that have no accreditation are basically worthless; one of the largest and most widely advertised is also the one that spends an obscene amount of money attempting to stamp out laws that provide appropriate licensure for properly trained holistic medical professionals, such as NDs who have graduated from accredited naturopathic medical schools, because they know that the poorly-trained graduates of unaccredited schools would never qualify to practice under any reasonable licensure laws.

    One of my other gripes with the website for your school is it actively encourages unqualified and unlicensed people to be able to practice medicine by offering near-worthless "diplomas" and "certificates" which are not recognized by any state that I'm aware of; the only place the holders of such diplomas would actually be able to practice would be states where there's no licensure required, and in those states, one does not have to have *any* credentials at all, so your school is essentially selling snake oil.

    Again, I don't know whether this is a sincere effort to do something innovative, or simply yet another unwonderful holistic school. I was willing to believe it was a sincere effort, but with the constant shilling and millspeak, I am beginning to wonder.
  11. OpalMoon34

    OpalMoon34 member

    Tatu = Dr. Liu

    I think Tatu is no other than the president Dr. Liu. The bogus accreditor was dropped immediately after it has been questioned here, and a wonderful letter from Dr. Liu came-up.

    Now the school is no longer claiming accreditation and the bogus accreditor has repositioned as something else:

    Perhaps one day this online school will be legit. After all, Chinese folks are known to absorb knowledge like sponge:D
  12. mdabroad

    mdabroad New Member

    Not Quite Right

    Not to sound like a jerk, but one third of all M.D. physicians in the U.S. come from foreign schools. Your facts are pretty much wrong. Almost every state in the country will accept a candidate from almost any foreign medical school if they can pass the USMLE. There's usually a detailed list of the schools the state will accept and in states like California this list has thousands of foreign medical schools on it. Residency is not that hard to obtain, just sometimes its a less desirable hospital. The USMLE tests are extremely difficult and a person who can pass them has the proper training. You don't really save any time going to school overseas and in fact it is harder because you are separated from family.

  13. mdabroad

    mdabroad New Member

    Other States

    California New York too, among other states.


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