MBA after a PhD?

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  1. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator Staff Member

    This would all be to increase my marketability for teaching. I am looking at TUI's MBA program and will only need to complete 7 classes (several carried over from my MS-ITM). I am not sure if I would like a marketing or finance concentration but have more experience in marketing since I am part of the "service marketing" team....maybe I can do both.

    Core Classes
    ACC501 - Accounting for Decision Making
    BUS599 - MBA Integrative Project (final session)
    ITM501 - Management Information Systems and Business Strategy
    MGT599 - Strategic Management

    Finance Concentrations
    FIN502 - International Finance
    FIN503 - Monetary Policy and Financial Institutions
    FIN504 - Investments and Portfolio Management

    Marketing Concentrations
    MKT502 - International Marketing
    MKT510 – Marketing Services
    MKT512 - New Product Development and Innovation


    Here is the question:
    Does it make sense to get an MBA after a PhD or would it be better to just earn 18 graduate credits if I want to teach the subject?

    Perhaps a marketing certificate would be better (any suggestions on schools that offer them?)
     
  2. Anthony Pina

    Anthony Pina Active Member

    As one who hires adjunct faculty, I would say that the MBA would make you more competitive, but so would having graduate coursework in multiple areas. We have had some difficulty finding qualified faculty with terminal degrees plus marketing coursework plus practical experience plus online teaching experience.

    It is not that uncommon to pursue a masters after a doctorate. For those who have a first-professional degree (JD, MD, PharmD, etc.) it is the norm.
     
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  3. mbaonline

    mbaonline New Member

    If I were in your shoes, I'd get an AACSB MBA to widen your appeal, and place the 18 credit hours in the concentration that you like the best. It's the one thing that I notice most when looking at openings.
     
  4. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator Staff Member


    I know but I am not sure how much more school I have left in me ;) Only 7 classes is quite attractive but I have looked at JSU...very tempting. Besides that, I can take the marketing classes first (at TUI) then the core so I will be quailifed to teach marketing quickly. The JSU MBA are all general classes so I would have to take marketing classes plus the MBA classes.
     
  5. mbaonline

    mbaonline New Member

    Yeah, I can't believe you have any school left in you after a PhD but you're hard-core...and I'm in awe.
     
  6. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator Staff Member


    Thanks, it has become my "hobby".
     
  7. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    Exactly. I'm broken and burned out after finishing a doctorate and I simply don't have the intestinal fortitude to complete any more coursework, plus the thought of spending all that money to punish myself even more. I began my educational journey with a spirit of bulldogged tenacity, as if I were accomplishing something; and now that I'm allegedly at the top of the heap, I'm tired. So tired. My get up and go "got up and went." :eek:

    Anyways, to answer your question, I don't think it's unusual to pursue another Masters degree or a certificate when you already have a doctorate. I too want to do that, but it will take a couple of more years of wound healing for me to get the strength to do something like that. Plus, there is the ROI factor. If you have to spend 13k to 20k on another Masters degree, coupled with the time that it takes you to do it (that's time that you could be adjuncting), then how long will it take you to recoup the financial expenditure?
     
  8. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator Staff Member

    As far as the cost - it would be zero. I would use tuition assistance money from my employer. As far as the time, if I do the minimum and take 3 more marketing classes it will not be so bad.
     
  9. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    Damn dude! If you think you can handle it and the degree will be paid for, HELL YES!!!!! I have never had tuition assistance in my life. It is kind of ironic, but I am in a public sector "professional" bargaining unit classification, and we have no tuition reimbursement? I have been fighting for it for years as way to encourage, retain and recruit the best staff. I sure as heck don't begrudge anyone who gets assistance, as they would be stupid not to take advantage of it.

    I am thinking of going to one of my local Cal State B&M for a B.A. in Literature after I am done with my MBA. Why? Just for the hell of it. I kind of miss the on campus experience.

    Happy New Year bro!

    Abner :)
     
  10. -kevin-

    -kevin- Resident Redneck

    I'm with Abner on this one. If someone else is paying then I'd go to school for a long time.

    As for the public sector stuff Abner what I found was that some professions have continuing education/training requirements. In those professions I was able to argue my way into academic classes as opposed to vendor provided training. Especially when I showed the HR folks that distance learning classes from an academic institution were cheaper than the vendor supplied training. Unfortunately not all employees could meet the admission standards or class requirements for academic courses but for those that could it worked out well.

    I think the other issue is using tax dollars for training. The public often wants quality expertise at their disposal but aren't willing to see their tax dollars spent to keep a skilled and vocationally current workforce.
     
  11. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    I hear ya. What the average taxpayer fails to understand is that public sector workers are taxpayers as well. For example, my wife and I have no children, yet we pay A LOT of taxes. Much of that goes to schools in an age group that does not apply to us. And you know what? I say yes, I want to pay taxes for other peoples children. Raise my taxes if you have to. It is a matter of philosophy I guess. Don't get me started! :)

    The bottom line, everybody pays for someone else in some way, shape, or form. This includes "corporate welfare". All I know is a work hard for my money.

    Abner :)
     
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  12. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator Staff Member

    That is why I started on the PhD. Why leave $5K a year on the table?
     
  13. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    If your employer is that generious, then your options are... almost unlimited.

    My employer used to provide unlimited tuition reimbursement. Then it was cut back to $3500 per year. Then it was cut back to only one degree (at each level) i.e. one Associates, one Bachelors, one Masters and one Doctorate. I've reached the end of the tuition reimbursement line with my current employer. Now it's CASH ONLY & CASH UP FRONT when signing up for college classes. :eek:
     
  14. edowave

    edowave Active Member

    Randell will eventually have 18 graduate credit hours in every subject imaginable.
     
  15. me again

    me again Well-Known Member

    Too funny! He's got more academic stamina than most! :D
     
  16. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator Staff Member

    No, only as long as it is free. Once it comes out of my pocket the road stops.
     
  17. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator Staff Member

    When I finished the Army school I was on an interview and the person kept pointing out that I had great military training but no degree. He must have said it 10 times. I promised myself that I would never be in that situation again. I guess I never promised myself when to stop ;)
     
  18. mbaonline

    mbaonline New Member

    Funny!

    If I had employer-paid tuition, I'd definitely be taking classes now - that's a no-brainer. But if I'd finished my doctorate, then the answer might change.

    Right now, I'm just trying to figure out how to pay for my kids' college, my doctorate and food all at the same time. And wishing for an employer that pays tuition!
     
  19. major56

    major56 Active Member

    Randell,

    At least the interviewer recognized value in your military schools /training … regrettably many don’t whatsoever. :(
     
  20. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member Staff Member

    Randell: Any degree makes sense whenever you damn well want it and you don't need anyone's stinkin' permission.
     

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