Mars will kill you

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  1. Kizmet

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  2. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly

    Some of the objections seem pretty lazy. For one, the assumption that Musk's Mars colony would be under U.S. jurisdiction, when it could just as easily be launched through a subsidiary chartered in a country offering a flag of convenience. For another, that direct democracy is impractical, it's like the author's never heard of a New England town meeting.
     
  3. heirophant

    heirophant Active Member

    Traveling to Mars might indeed kill people (it almost certainly will at some point), but it will be the physical conditions and not some lawyer's opinions that prove deadly.

    I don't see a whole lot of legal difference between establishing a Moon or Mars base or settlement, and establishing research stations in Antarctica. There are dozens of those, some of them quite large, and all of them seem to operate under the flag of the country that established them.

    https://www.ats.aq/e/ats.htm

    It remains to be seen whether Elon Musk's Mars settlement will fly the US flag or acknowledge the authority of the US government. It certainly doesn't seem to be an attempt to claim all of Mars on behalf of Washington DC.

    If the Chinese or somebody established a base somewhere else on Mars, I doubt very much whether Musk's people would launch an attack on them in hopes of driving them off the planet. What would happen is probably what happens in Antarctica routinely, and the newcomers would be welcomed and arrangements would be made to cooperate.

    This is the United States' McMurdo Station, effectively a small American town (it even looks like some Alaskan settlements) on a continent where all claims of national sovereignty are in abeyance.:

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  6. Maniac Craniac

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    Yes, Mars will kill you.

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    Please eat responsibly.
     
  7. John Bear

    John Bear Senior Member

    This thread motivated me to revisit Heinlein's geopolitical allegory, "Stranger in a Strange Land," which explores, in some depth, the ownership of Mars. It holds up well after nearly 60 years (and it introduced the word 'grok', and was the first science fiction book to make the New York Times bestseller list).
     
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  8. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly

    Fantastic book! My favorite part is where Jubal is describing his love for Rodin's work Fallen Caryatid Carrying Her Stone. The unabridged edition is the one Heinlein intended, and it's the one to read, in my opinion.
     
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  11. cookderosa

    cookderosa Resident Chef

    <-- owner of an Occupy Mars t-shirt. Musk is one of my heroes.
     
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