MAGA wants putin to win

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  1. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

  2. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    My working theory is that most Republicans are afraid of being primaried by a MAGA hardliner if they go against Trump, and that Trump is afraid of Putin because of kompromat.
     
  3. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    That is an excellent point. Trump was in Moscow for Miss Universe and did business with russian oligarchs (as we know from Trump Tower meeting emails, his family is on first-name basis with the Agalarovs, who may have direct KGB ties and certainly deeply tied with both Putin and Comrade Heydar Aliev of Azerbaijan, who was a KGB General as well as a member of Politburo). His business ties, his penchant for flattery, his lack of self control dealing with women, his murky finances? Given FSBs storied skills, nigh-endless dark money, and Red Sparrow program - if they DON'T at least have kompromat on him that would be professional malpractice.
     
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  4. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    With Russians, it's simple, they will do everything to promote their interests, that's all.
    If dealing with other countries promotes their interests, then they will use those people.
    They fought the sanctions with help of China, and became their vassals.
    They support Iran, Hamas, N. Kora, Syria Assad to name a few.
    Furthermore, they want Alaska back, and they are definitely involved with many destabilizing activities in the US, including protests, on this I agree with Nancy Pelosi.
    Tucker is in Russia being used by them, roomer had it he may interview Putin.
     
  5. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    PUTIN should interview Tucker - from his (Tucker's) cell in Lubyanka prison. If Tucker Carlson ever goes missing, I won't be in the search party.
     
  6. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    It was suggested to Trump that Tucker would be a good VP pick and he seemed warm to the idea!

    If Tucker interviews Putin, I will definitely watch it. Actually I would watch the interview if any USA citizen celebrity interviewed Putin. (Notice the careful wording there since I'm not so sure Tucker is a journalist.)
     
  7. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    I would not watch anything by *ucker Carson or featuring khyilo. In the latter's case, I might make exception for a war crimes trial.
     
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  8. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Putin will address Amricans via such interview.
    From what I hear in news, it's about to happen.
     
  9. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    It will be interesting to me how forcefully Putin pushes a Trump's re-election. He wants Trump to win really really bad. He probably won't push him that hard though because a really strong endorsement would hurt Trump more than it helps him.
     
  10. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I'm sure "Bad Vlad" has Americans in his pocket, to do the dirty job for him. A done deal. He knows all the steps - exactly how one felon makes another his bitch. We're all in for a very rough ride.
     
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  11. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Putin probably has Russians already here in the USA funneling large donations to Trump's re-election effort. Trump is Putin's best chance to win the war in Ukraine. Putin is sacrificing a generation of young Russians trying to use up Ukrainian ammunition. We need to renew funding to give the Ukrainians more ammunition. Eventually the Russian people will grow tired of their useless sacrifice, as long as the Ukrainians don't run out of ammunition.
     
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  12. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Russians will use examples of how West and the allies when felt threatened on their borders or closer to their borders took actions, they always mention Panama Canal and bombing of Yugoslavia, Kosovo etc., and other wars, Iraq, they have polished propaganda, and now they will have access to US voters via Tucker.
     
  13. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I read like 5 articles on the interview, Washington Post, NBC, Huffington and a few others that I forget who printed them. They all say basically the same thing. The interview was a complete waste. Tucker Carlson is probably more stupid than I thought. Stanislav was totally correct about the interview. It would be a total waste of 2 hours to actually watch the interview. Did I mention Tucker Carlson is even more stupid than I thought?
     
  14. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    I haven't watched the interview nor read much about it, but I saw comments on how apparently khuylo stated that Poland provoked Hitler to attack it and start WWII. Interestingly, Nazi apologism is a criminal offence in russia (and wielded like a club at regular folks seemingly at random). I knew he was into conspiracy theories and believes a lot of wild sh#t, but thought he would have more discipline on camera. I mean, this is not surprising as their own rationale of both 2014 incursion and the full-scale war repeats Hitler's rationale of invading Poland down to specific words they chose (defense of "compatriots" abroad), but they long established a way to deal with that by just 1984-style declaring any comparisons a thoughtcrime and diligently practicing crimestop anytime they talk about it (and jailing people who slip up, even accidentally, even when they don't do that). The old evil POS may be losing his marbles. And yes, he may well still rule russia while completely mad, and will for sure win the fake elections. They frankly like and respect mad rulers more than rational ones. Very unique culture, they are.
     
  15. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Anyone cares to predict what will happen to the Ukraine/Israel funding package in Congress? I remain hopeful that it still has a chance now that GOPniks are out of rationale to oppose, but realistically shouldn't be. There's a very strong case to be made that it isn't and was never about the border, and denying Ukraine funding was always the whole point; Gaetz, MTG and the rest of the clown caucusus are openly rootin' for pootin', Liddle MikeyJo is caving to them under any crazy excuse he could find (even if he would have to use ChatGPT to find it); McConnell favors Ukraine aid, but was just steamrolled in the Senate. I think the media is wrong and it's not even about politics; khuylo is just getting desperate and activated Agent Donnie to openly help him (in the process upgrading his secret Order of Frendship of Nations to a full blown Gold Star of Hero of mordor). Convince me that the actual point of *ucker's trip wasn't getting instructions in person.
     
  16. tadj

    tadj Active Member

    I've watched the interview. For a good part of it, it was standard Russian historical revisionism (known very well in Poland) with a fabricated story of the past. Nothing new. Tucker did not ask any truly controversial questions, so I got a similar impression to this author;

    Politico: The deferential Carlson was clearly left reeling from the 30-minute lecture from Russia’s pseudo-historian-in-chief, interjecting at one point, “I beg your pardon. Can you tell us what period…? I’m losing track of where in history we are. Perhaps he was knocked so off balance by being dragged back to the 11th century in a jumbled attempt to portray Ukrainians as Russians that he forgot to ask these questions:

    https://www.politico.eu/article/6-questions-tucker-carlson-should-have-asked-russia-putin-interview/

    Since this was heavily focused on historical matters, I would also add some questions about the tragic fate of Memorial, one of the few Russian institutions that attempted to provide history-grounded knowledge about Soviet crimes. It was recently liquidated by the state. That tells you a lot about the Russian approach to history.
     
  17. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Watched some clips of the interview. The content didn't surprise me.
    What surprised me was the small table and the proximity Tucker was seating with Putin, I mean generals and ministers are seating a mile away huge table, and here they are like in handshake proximity?
    Must be one of the doubles P2 or P3 ;-)
     
  18. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Now that would been an interview making headlines if Tucker had asked those 6 questions! I can see the headline now.
    "Tucker Carlson Disappears After Putin Interview"
     
  19. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Heh. Or perhaps Putin just figures that Carlson has much less incentive to kill him?
     
  20. tadj

    tadj Active Member

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