lawliness in CA on th rise

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  1. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Policies needs to be adjusted, doesn't mater who in the office.
    UK now reporting they have copy cats, they had their malls robbed this week in the same style.

    If I'm not mistaken, today in Los Angeles they are voting to de fund LAPD?

    https://abc7.com/defund-the-police-lapd-los-angeles-mayor-eric-garcetti/6289037/

    LOS ANGELES (KABC) -- The Los Angeles City Council on Wednesday approved a $150 million cut to the LAPD's budget for the next fiscal year, a move that followed activists' mounting calls to "defund the police."
     
  2. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    At the same time (just to make sure I piss off everyone at least once in this thread) those on the left are correct that far-reaching reform both of the police and of the American approach to policing is long overdue.

    For the former, cops who everyone knows are bad are left in place rather than terminated and disqualified from seeking law enforcement employment elsewhere. For the latter, cops are sent to handle situations where social workers would be a much better choice.
     
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  3. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    For the record you never piss me off. I appreciate your nuanced understanding of both the Republican and Libertarian worldviews and they are an important counterpoint to the dominant narrative on the board.

    I try to "like" posts on both sides of a discussion to share my appreciation, at least when I'm not the one doing the arguing :)
     
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  4. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    Crime rates don't appear to be correlated to how much is spent on the police: https://www.urban.org/policy-centers/cross-center-initiatives/state-and-local-finance-initiative/state-and-local-backgrounders/criminal-justice-police-corrections-courts-expenditures

    California spends 5x per capita what the lowest spending states do and DC nearly 10x, but clearly throwing money at the police isn't helping.
     
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  5. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    An 8% reduction in police funding might be good if it also reduced police responsibilities. For example, transferring responsibilities for some family crisis issues or social services to people that are better trained in those areas.
     
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  6. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Strongly agree, and the money from the reduction should go to the agency tasked with those additional responsibilities rather than simply being an unfunded mandate.
     
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  7. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    May need to do this across all the City departments, and work with counties as well.
    A lot of funds wasted in LA, by different departments where union workers literally sleep at work, and wait for their retirement.
    Supervisors approve everything even when people don't comply as long as complains don't get to upper management etc
    Tip of the iceberg.

    Making Police more efficient is a process and until the deflecting resources are available, with the rise in the crime, cutting Police budget is irresponsible.
     
  8. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    Sounds like you're saying the LA government is inefficient and we need to cut their budget but at the same time the LAPD is inefficient so it's irresponsible to cut their budget.
     
  9. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I'm saying do budgeting and make it more efficient across the board not just the LAPD. Yes when crime is on the rise you create a process make sure you have the resources then deflect some work, not jut make cuts. Again I don't have the details.
    I think they need to cut where the waste is, and they are not able.
    From what I'm told, LA City is out of money.

    I can be wrong, I hear that from different people and news, just an opinion not an accusation.
     
  10. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Here's a 5 year old LA news report exposing some of this. I have no clue whether or not the folks in the report are in a labor union. or how common this really is. I suspect that trying to blame it all on unions is bogus. I also doubt that it is really all that common. The news report seemed to find an extra bad group that was very poorly supervised.
     
  11. Suss

    Suss Active Member

    Maybe not those specific small cities, and maybe not dodging that specific bodily material, but crime has put small Southern cities over the top in per capita crime for a couple of decades now. That includes the smash and grab stuff that get played on the news every night as a "new" thing in big cities, but it's been happening to stores in smaller cities for awhile.

    And then there is highly visible crime that frightens, and invisible acts of violence, that are legally not considered crimes as they are pulled off by the legislatures themselves. When Arkansas pols passed laws to bring back child labor, it was a form of violence against children. What's next, bringing back slavery?
     
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  12. Suss

    Suss Active Member

    HER name. London Breed is a she.
     
  13. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Precisely. I just wish Starbucks revolutionaries who want to sound tough would not coin the "Defund the Police" slogan for this very reasonable idea.
     
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  14. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

  15. Jonathan Whatley

    Jonathan Whatley Well-Known Member

    Popular restaurants that had a successful run close every day.

    Does Fox let us know when people attribute their closing to right-wing policies, like urban development policies that favor outlet centres at the expense of traditional shopping districts, or the private health insurance costs requiring the owner-operator to get a corporate job instead, or immigration checks of the staff?
     
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  16. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    I get why the other policies are on the right, but why outlet centers?
     
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  17. Jonathan Whatley

    Jonathan Whatley Well-Known Member

    That one is nuanced. Outlet centres aren't right-wing per se, nor are they bad per se. "Pro-development" land use policies aren't right-wing per se nor are they bad per se.

    The style of urban planning that relatively favors suburban sprawl, cars, and greenfield development and relatively disfavors existing neighbourhood densification and intensification, mass transit, pedestrians, and bikes is generally right-wing.

    Some aspects of NIMBYism tend to be part of that. Conversely, some aspects of NIMBYism do tend to track with the left wing.
     
  18. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Boy howdy.

    I learned first hand decades ago in Santa Fe politics that the Affluent Left spoke out consistently and clearly about the need to address the shortage of affordable housing and homelessness until, and exactly until, someone tried to locate an affordable apartment compex or mobile home park or condominium near their neighborhoods. Then it's NIMBY all the way. What a bunch of poseurs.

    That's where I first learned to distrust the "Professional Liberal".
     
  19. Jonathan Whatley

    Jonathan Whatley Well-Known Member

    "Mixed-income housing" is fairly well accepted in my hometown, Toronto. But the sentiment might not transpose easily to a smaller city, or to a suburb.
     
  20. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Mayor Bass says she is encouraged by her conversations with the community about building affordable housing in L.A.
    But in an exclusive interview with KNX In Depth, she acknowledges, "I can afford to live here, but you know what? My kids can't."

    https://omny.fm/shows/knxam-on-demand/mayor-bass-says-her-own-kids-can-t-afford-to-live

    "Los Angeles Mayor Karen Bass says she told President Biden that he could significantly reduce homelessness in the United States by helping to find shelter for the roughly 40,000 people in the city who are currently unhoused.

    " basically said, 'If your goal, Mr. President, is to reduce homelessness in the United States by 25%, you can literally meet that goal in our city for such a massive problem that I absolutely believe is an emergency,'" Bass said in an interview with All Things Considered on Saturday."
     

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