Ks Dentist with MD degree from UHSA-Antigua loses appeal on use of MD title

antigua

did you find that somewhere I could quote from? Thanks.....azskeptic/Dean

 

IUHS-St. Kitts

www.iuhs.edu is another one of these correspondence schools.

They are owned by an Indian company called Empire.

Look at this ruling...India won't allow Indians to attend the 'schools'

http://www.hindu.com/2004/01/30/stories/2004013007730400.htm

Knowing of India's acceptance of a lot of quackery they must be pretty bad to have secured that type of ruling against them.

 

I would say it is a safe bet that if the country that approves the medical school will not license the graduates...stay away!

Sounds like their sole interest is U.S. dollars coming into the country.

 

money,money,money

let's see....500 students at $30,000/year in tuition=$15,000,000

rent for 5 rooms and an administrative office suite USD50,000
5 professors at USD40,000 (they don't pay that much but let's act like they do) USD200,000
Office staff, utilities, advertising USD100,000

$15,000,000 minus $350,000 =a business that most people would like to get into.

even if I'm wrong on the exact dollars double or triple them.....wow......what a return.....

 

Drat! I KNEW someone would want the link and I can't find it. It came from the quackery ring that includes quackwatch.org. I'll look for it again.

 

link?

www.internetmedicalschool.homestead.com

 

There's a lot of misinformation being presented here....

First let me say that there is alot of misinformation being presented here by Dean. This is how he wins favor with everyone that the schools he lists are bogus. If you didn't know the truth, you would have the impression that these schools are nothing but money hungry machine which degree's granted by them are worthless paper. I'm going to post the truth here at least on St.Luke so that people may see the truth from misinformation. This post is long so if you don't want to read it and you have faith in what Dean is saying, then it is advised that you just skip over this.

Ok now, one cannot do their entire medical education online. It's impossible to be honest. Basic science can be done online and is being done. Dean feels you can't do this. However, the sucess of these student is proving him wrong. St.Luke's has a high USMLE pass rate. We've had one student fail the USMLE step one. The rest, have passed the Step 1 of the USMLE exam with a 90% pass rate. That alone should cause anyone to think if one can't do basic science online, then how do they pass step 1 of the USMLE exam. The purpose of the USMLE step 1 is to test how well you understand and can apply basic science to clinicals. If you recieve a bogus education, you will not pass step 1. No amount of Kaplan courses can make up for a bogus medical education. Once students pass step 1, they move into clinicals. No part of the clinical education is done online. Therefore, it's not an entire medical education online. An entire medical education online would have to mean that the students spends all 4yrs online with no clinical experience whatsoever. No medical school offers this. Including the medical schools Dean talks about. However, Dean will have you to believe that the students spends their entire time online with no supervision and no clinical experience. This is simply not the case and comes from someone that knows nothing about distance medical education.

Second, I don't know about the other schools, but at St. Luke's, we do have affliated hospitals. We have them in the UK, Mexico, Africa, India and the US. Where does Dean get his information that students have to find their own clinical rotations? We have students who do go out and find their own clinicals because these students don't want to relocate to another state or country. This happens in US medical schools also. A student at Temple University medical school may not want to do his/her clinicals at Temple University. Since I live in walking distance to Temple University Hosiptal, I know about that Hospital and I can tell you that I wouldn't want to do my clinicals at the hospital. So the student may live in California and decide to do their clinicals in California. Temple University has no affiliated Hospitals in California. So the student would contact the Hospital and the state in this case, get permission from the state and the hospital and Temple would review the hospital and approve it or deny it. The same process happens at St.Luke's. Some students don't want to do their clinicals in Africa, India, the UK or at one of our affiliated hospitals in the US.

Third, St. Luke's main campus in Liberia, was destroyed, burnt to the ground with all records and ducumentation. St.Luke's has since re-built a fully equiped state of the art campus just outside of Liberia. It is also building a huge campus in Ghana. So, that should clear up confusion that no one know where St.Luke main campus is located.

Fourth, only the first 2yrs are done online. The last 2yrs are spent in clinicals just like the nursing programs.

Fifth, all faculty at St.Luke's is qualified to teach medicine. This information is on the website if you want to go and look.

Richard Akoto, M.D.
Adjunct Professor of Family Medicine
Doctor of Medicine, Spartan Health Sciences University, St. Lucia
Family Medicine Resident, Virginia Commonwealth University, Commonwealth Medical Center
BOARD CERTIFICATION: National Board of Medical Examiners, 1993, Board Eligible in Family Medicine

-Akwasi Asiama Amponsah, M.D., MPH
Adjunct Professor of Internal Medicine & Psychiatry
Doctor of Medicine, May, 1989, Meharry Medical College, Nashville, Tennessee
The Johns Hopkins University, School of Hygiene & Public Health, Baltimore, MD, Master of Public Health (MPH)
Master of Science, North Carolina Central University, Durham, North Carolina, Biology; Minor: Chemistry
Bachelor of Science, University of Wisconsin-La Crosse, Wisconsin, Major: Biology
Assistant Professor of Medicine, Departments of Internal Medicine & Psychiatry, Virginia Commonwealth University.
Director, Substance Abuse Consult Service, Medical College of Virginia Hospitals
BOARD CERTIFICATION: National Board of Medical Examiners, 1991, Board Eligible in Internal Medicine, Board Certified in Preventive Medicine

-Ajibola Ayeni, M.D.,
Assistant Director of Medical School, Board Member
Doctor of Medicine, Spartan Health Sciences University, St. Lucia
Ph.D. Pharmacy, University of Illinois
BS Biochemistry/Medical Chemistry, University of Ibadan, Nigeria

-Jyogi Bristol, Basic Sciences Curriculum Advisor
Doctor of Medicine, Spartan Health Sciences University, St. Lucia
BA Cell Physiology, Long Beach State University, BS Psychology, University of Southern California
Neurology Resident, University of Wisconsin
ECFMG Certified

-Michel Dioubate, M.D. Professor
A.M. Dogliotti School of Medicine, University of Liberia
Monrovia, Liberia
Professor of Anatomy and Physiology

-Jerroll B. R. Dolphin, M.D., President of Medical School & Board Member
Doctor of Medicine, Spartan Health Sciences University, St. Lucia
Doctor of Naturopathy, Southern Graduate Institute
BS Physics and Mathematics, San Jose State University
ECFMG Certified, Chief Advisory Physician, African Development Foundation
Responsible for school administration and program development and coordination. Primary curriculum developer for USMLE Part 1, Part 2, and CSA examination contents.

-Meimei Dukuly, M.D., MPH, Dean of Academic Affairs, Liberia
Doctor of Medicine, Temple University
Former Minister of Health, Republic of Liberia
Responsible for Academic Affairs in Liberia. Dean of Medical School

-S. Fifi Ellis, MB, ChB, MPH,
Board Member, Dean of Clinical Sciences
Medical Bachelor and Chemical Bachelor, University of Ghana, 1976
Master of Public Health, Leeds University, England, 1988
Director, Trust Hospital, Accra, Ghana
Member Ghana Medical Association,
Founding member of Ghana Society of Occupational Health
Founding member of Society for Tropical Surgery
Responsible for coordination of Clinical Science rotations and adherence to requirements of Medical and Dental Council of Ghana.

-Hoyt Harris, M.D., N.M.D.
M.D., Middle Tennessee University, School of Medicine
N.M.D., Southern Graduate Institute
Chairman, Department of Basic Science and Physical Diagnosis

-Taliaferro Harris, M.D.
Professor of Anatomy and Physiology
Doctor of Medicine, Ross University School of Medicine, Dominica
Biology, Tennessee State University
Former Professor Anatomy and Physiology, Arkansas State University, Pine Bluff

-Charles Jogwe, M.D., Ph.D., Board Member
Doctor of Medicine, Spartan Health Sciences University, St. Lucia
Doctor of Business Administration, United States International University (ABD)
MBA, United States International University, MS Electrical Engineering, California State University Fullerton
BS Business Administration/Engineering, University of Redlands
Professor of Engineering, Finance, Mathematics and Health Care Administration
Chief Financial Officer, Foam Tech and Sterling Electric; Chief Industrial Engineer/Safety Director, A. O. Smith; Order of Engineer, State of California
Guest lecturer in Biostatistics and Medical Writing. Specializes in medical financing and corporate organization.

-Frank Teah, Jr., BS, Vice President, Liberia
BS Business Administration, University of Liberia
Responsible for business management and development, Liberia

-Herbert W. Winstead, D.M.D., M.D.
D.M.D., University of Louisville
President, Cedar Grove Wellness Center

As far as naturopathy is concerned, SGI has a program which allows any MD to complete via distance learning in 2yrs. The faculty members who have NMD listed among thier title did not just give themselves degrees like Dean states. They have in fact completed the requirements set forth to earn this degree. Is SGI accepted by the AANP. No. However, there are many schools out there that are not accepted by the AANP. One does not have to attend the 4 schools accredited by the AANP to become licensed in the 14 states that do license naturopathic medicine. Dean would have you to believe this also. I advise anyone to look up naturpathic licensing laws in the 14 states which do license naturopathic medical doctors. This is a whole another issue again which Dean knows nothing about. There is a war going on in naturopathy right now with this AANP because they refuse to accept any other school outside of the 4 schools that they have already accepted. There are naturopathic medical schools in Europe that have been around for more than 30yrs that the AANP does not accept. Yet these 4 school that they list as being accredited naturopathic medical schools have not been around for as long as some of the most established naturopathic medical schools. Here's a link to one of America's oldest naturopathic medical school which AANP does not even recognize:

http://www.fnun.edu/

http://www.anma.com/



-Dr.2B

 

Re: licensure

Dean you are wrong again on this issue. St.Luke's is fully accredited by the government in Liberia. Therefore, any student who graduates from St. Luke's can be licensed in Liberia. Liberia does not have the same laws as the US and they don't have a ban/approved medical school list. Any medical student who attends a WHO/IMED listed school can be licensed in Liberia if they have passed their licensing exam. Liberia is also on the MBBS system. However, any student that does residency in that country and passes the board can become licensed regardless if they have an MBBS or MD degree. This goes for UK as well. The MBBS and the MD degree is interchangeable.

-Dr.2B

 

Re: There's a lot of misinformation being presented here....

Well, your faculty has major problems. I wrote some notes in there of folks who are residents and wouldn't be qualified to teach in the US.

In terms of online science,which I mentioned in my post, it is not an accepted process for 100% of science and somehow I don't think St. Luke is going to be the leader in this field at 5 years of age.

Naturopaths can only license in 14 states if they graduated from one of 4 schools. It is illegal for graduates of SGI or other correspondence school naturopathic schools to call themselves naturopaths in those states.

http://www.naturopathic.org/licensure/accredited_schools.html

St. Luke is a substandard online school and seaches on the internet fail to find any 'residents' anywhere. Only people I find are folks who list MDs but can't license it in their states.

 

This maybe true at UHSA, but I doubt it. At St.Luke's DDS do recieve credit for basic science courses but they do not skip all basic science and not have to take basic science. We have US medical student who have transferred to St.Luke's and they have to take some basic science course no matter how far they were in the curriculum at a US medical school. No student transfers into Clinicals.

I don't believe that a DDS only does 1 week and get his/her MD degree.

I suggest people call these school and ask them what their policy is on students who have health degree's.

-Dr.2B

 

Liberia/Ghana

I think that one should listen to the US govt. on travel to these countries (Liberia/Ghana where Stluke.edu is. If there are any US students actually studying there I would be surprised

http://travel.state.gov/travel/liberia_warning.html

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/2860.htm

 

Re: Re: There's a lot of misinformation being presented here....

Dean your information is so misguided that you don't even see where you information is misleading. No faculty member is in residency. Where do you get this information from? Do you just sit at home and look for information to try prove that your opinion is correct? Fact is, you think you know about the faculty of St.luke's and you don't. This is a major problem which no professional does.

Finally you say something that is not misleading when you say it's not 100% acceptable. No one argues with you on this point. However, you can't say that it's 100% becoming unacceptable in the US because this is not true at all.

Now as far as Naturopathy is concerned. In the 14 states which have Licensure requirements, this maybe true also. However, there are still more than 50% of the states who have no licensing requirements. NMD can practice in those states without problems. So your point that Faculty who have unlicenseable degrees means nothing when were talking about Naturopathy. For you to even use this as an excuse that the faculty is unqualified, it just plain crazy.

Your searches, Dean, mean nothing. We have faculty who are graduates of Ghana University medical school, Temple university, Tennessee medical school, Meharry medical school and Spartan. Are you saying that these faculty cannot be licensed in any state? The fact that the staff are not currently licensed means nothing either. Since when does a faculty memeber have to be a licensed physician to teach at a medical school? I tell you what, don't even answer those questions because the answer that you post will only show your ignorance.

Finally, you keep saying that St.Luke's is substandard. Ok, fine. You keep thinking that while our student continue to do well on the USMLE and obtain residency spots all over the world. O, and FYI, you continue to look for residents. I happen to know 2 of them in the US here. I know 4 in Africa. So, I'm going to take their word that they are in residency before I take the word of a person who doesn't know anything about St.Luke's only what he wants to think.

My discussion with you is over Dean, it's no point with me talking to you since your going to think what you want to think. I just hope that any potential student out there will have the common sense to do a little research and just take the word from one somebody. Had I listened to you Dean when I was doing my search, I would have walked away thinking a good school is nothing more than a scam.

I wish all the best of luck in your goal to discredit and bring down St.Luke and any other school you feel are scams.

-Dr.2B

 

Re: Re: Re: There's a lot of misinformation being presented here....

Thanks.......

for those who want to read it themselves go to st. luke's website and peruse it and see what you think.

www.stluke.edu

 

Did so long time gone.

Anybody who profiteers off the agony of Liberia has no moral fitness to claim any association with anything even vaguely termed a healing art.

So the pirouette of yet another shill has ended. Pity? No, no pity. Only deepest shame for those who grow rich from the suffering of west Africa, and for those who would exploit the legality conferred (or not) by sublegal gangster regimes to claim a credential of any kind.

J'accuse!
- - - - - - - - - - - - -
Thank you, Dean, for your exposure of this shameful wretched business.

 

Know of any other med school with a disclaimer like this?

http://www.stluke.edu/disclaimer.html

 

Yes, I agree any business that tries to profit off the agony of liberia has no moral fitness to claim any association with anything even vaguely termed a healing art.

Do you happen to know what the government of liberia is doing to rectify this situation? From previous post on this site, I've read that a new government is going to take place in mid 2005. I do hope that they do chase these moraless people out of business just as they have done with that fake government they had in place allowing these gangster regimes to claim credentials.

Also, can you tell me how to identity these gangster regimes in Liberia? That information would be of help in avoiding such business entities.

Hmmm....Dean exposed a shameful wretched business operation operating in liberia? If you have information that I don't please let me know. Surely I don't want to be apart of such an entity as you described.

-Dr.2B

 

Such sweet disingenuousness!
Such feigned innocence!
After such intellectual boasting!
Now such shill-y-shallying!

As to your ignorance on Liberia, physician (sic), heal thyself!

 

Ok, thanks Janko.

 

A Kansas court bites off a dentist's M.D.

http://www.pitch.com/issues/2004-09-30/news/follow.html

From pitch.com
Originally published by The Pitch Sep 30, 2004

Doctor's Orders
A Kansas court bites off a dentist's M.D.
BY BEN PAYNTER

Last week, the Kansas Court of Appeals ruled that earning a medical
degree on the Internet does not necessarily mean you can market
yourself as a doctor in Kansas. On September 17, judges ordered
Overland Park dentist Steven L. Thomas, D.D.S., M.D., to extract the
latter degree from his title. "Thomas' continued use of the M.D.
designation, without a license, will clearly cause irreparable harm by
misleading the public and hospital staff and by damaging the general
esteem and reputation of such title," the court wrote.

Thomas earned his M.D. in 1999 from the University of Health
Sciences-Antigua, a mostly online medical school in the West Indies.
His previous doctorate in dentistry had fulfilled the general
education requirements for the Caribbean university's "Non-Traditional
Clinical Pathways Program." According to court documents, after Thomas
completed an 18-month crash course online, he spent eight weeks
attending seminars and clinics on the vacation-destination island.

The degree capped a solid academic résumé. After graduating from the
University of Missouri-Kansas City's School of Dentistry in 1982,
Thomas completed a residency program in oral and maxillofacial surgery
at the Henry Ford Hospital in Michigan and earned a master's degree in
dental surgery from Baker University. He is licensed to perform jaw,
facial, plastic and cosmetic surgery; he owns a practice at 128th
Street and Metcalf in Overland Park and also treats patients at
Shawnee Mission Medical Center. But his new, fast-track M.D. did not
meet the standards of some states' medical licensing boards.

Prompted by a patient's complaint, the Kansas Board of Healing Arts
filed suit against Thomas in February 2003, alleging in court
documents that the "M.D." misrepresented Thomas' medical training.

In October 2003, the Kansas District Court ruled in Thomas' favor,
saying that because the Board of Healing Arts regulates doctors, not
dentists, and because Thomas' practice was rooted in his licensed
dentistry procedures, the complaint was moot ("Oral Argument," June
17, 2004).

According to the Appeals Court's new ruling, though, "Thomas' use of
the M.D. designation could mislead the public to believe his medical
training is similar to that of a licensed M.D."

"You cannot use it in a way [to suggest] that you are treating
injuries, deformities, et cetera," says Mark Stafford, attorney for
the Kansas Board of Healing Arts.

Thomas maintains that the decision had nothing to do with his skills
as a dentist. "The court was not asked to rule on the quality or
quantity of my education," Thomas told the Pitch in an e-mail last
week. "The question before the court was whether I, as a dentist, fell
under the jurisdiction of the Board of Healing Arts, when the Kansas
statute clearly said I did not." On that question, though, Thomas
lost. His e-mail to the Pitch suggested that he would appeal.

"It [the medical degree] simply expanded the extent of my knowledge
and made me a better oral surgeon. I think patients have a right to
that information, and the court should not prohibit me from sharing
it," Thomas said.