John Bear seeks advice on military credentials, for ABC

warguns · May 16, 2002

military fake degrees

http://www.militarymuseum.org/Mattson.html

Recently biography has been changed to include "honorary" in decsribing doctorate in miliray history. However, he refuses to state what institution conferred this degree.

ybfjax · Nov 14, 2004

But they were still hired.....

Originally posted by Bruce

There is no personal motivation. I don't spend my spare time searching for prominent people with fake degrees and forwarding my findings to ABC.

In the last GMA segment, I "discovered" 2 out of the 3 people exposed with Columbia State degrees, the Love Doctor and the court administrator. These people had important jobs that held immense influence over other people's lives, the fact that they had fraudulent credentials should worry the hell out of everyone.

However, it was them, not I, who bought the fake degrees and placed them in their resumes. It took all of about 5 minutes with a Google search to find both of them with the Columbia State degrees featured prominently in their bios. They were not only stupid enough to obtain jobs with their fake credentials, but also arrogant enough to post it on the Internet and then expect no one to catch it.

This all seems to boil down to what I consider an appaling lack of willingness to assign blame to anyone. The first thing a defendant in a high-profile criminal case will do is try to assume the mantle of victimhood in order to avoid responsibility. Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I believe in holding people responsible for their actions.

My take is very simple....you buy a fake degree, you run the risk of having it come back to bite you in the ass. When that happens, the blame lies with that person, not the one who merely pointed out what should have been obvious already.

Bruce

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Bruce,

Keep in mind that the EMPLOYER was the greatest "fool" of all as he/she hired those people and they were phony to begin with.

Although this does point out something interesting: does a degree really matter? If these people were so incompetent, wouldn't they have been fired by now?

I also agree with Tracy....

As mentioned previously, most (if not all) officers are commissioned through ROTC or the academies, in RA programs, so the likelihood of finding a smoking gun is probably pretty small. If an officer does hold a fake degree, it probably had no baring in his or her commissioning. If, on the other hand, it can be shown that the officer somehow deceived his or her respective service by claiming that their fake degree is real, than you may have a case for fraud. But, since commissioned officers usually come out of programs specifically designed for commissioning them, I don't see how this could happen.
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ROTC (40-45%) + Naval Acadamy (20-25%) make up about 60% of all officer accessions.

hockeyfan · Nov 14, 2004

Link for Military Biographies

Dr. Bear,

Biographies for senior military officers are available at this website:

http://www.af.mil/bios/

The above site is an Air Force site but also includes links to senior officer/senior civilian biographies from other branches of the military.

Hope this helps.

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