Iran's Ahmadinejad: Israel should be wiped off the map

You got it....

Jordan does not and hasn't wanted the Palestinians. There are more Palestinians than "Jordanians" in the country already and it is only a matter of time before the Hashemite's fade into history....

 

DTechBA,

I think you are probably right about that.

It's interesting because I tend to lump all these folks together. Nothing could be a greater mistake!

 

I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with you here nosborne.... The Turks are run by a torturing murdering political machine that has never repented for the atrocities against the Armenians in 1915. As such, they are also in the ranks of the "enemies of all mankind", and with friends like that who indeed needs enemies?

 

So... where do you think this guy stands?

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/southflorida/sfl-1109alarian,0,200441.story?coll=sfla-home-headlines

Wonder whether this miscreant interloper within our borders would have a position on whether Israel should be "wiped off the map" or not? Perhaps the court should ask him that question too.... after all, he's being presented by his defense attorneys as one of the "good Muslims".

 

I don't like it either. Believe me.

Carl,

I wouldn't have mentioned it if it didn't trouble me deeply.

But remember, please, that Israel is a very small piece of real estate surrounded by very hostile populations many times its own size.

Israel would not need to attach herself to the Turks now or the South Africans twenty years ago but for the continuous, mortal threat to her continued existence.

I used the expression ironically for it is an Arab saying, not a Hebrew one.

 

Re: I don't like it either. Believe me.

Got it.... Thanks for the clarification my friend....

 

Phase two of the plan. Once Israel is wiped off the map, the tumour of Israel should be relocated in Europe. Allah bless him!

 

This sounds more like empty rhetoric. It plays upon a deliberate and oft repeated historical inaccuracy; the idea that there was a Palestinian stae "in being" when the U.N. voted to create Israel. There was no such state nor did the Arabs living there have any sort of superior claim to organize a government. Any Palestinian right to create a new state derived from precisely the same authority and therefore possessed precisely the same legitimacy, as the right of the Jews to do the same. That's why the area was partitioned in 1948 with the majority of the land (and contiguity as well) going to the Arabs.

Actually, Stalin DID establsh the Jewish Autonomous Oblast in the 1930s. I don't believe it got past the paper stage.

 

Hi Nosborne:

Stalin was no friend of the Jews.

He killed betwen 500,000 and 1,000,000 Jews during his reign of terror.

Good luck,


Joi

 

Hi Nosborne:

Stalin was no friend of the Jews.

He killed betwen 500,000 and 1,000,000 Jews during his reign of terror.

Good luck,


Joi

 

Oh, yes, and worse was in store when God gathered Stalin home.

There's a wonderful line in one of Mitchner's endless novels, "Come the Revolution, you and I will still be Jews."

The post WWII Poles invented anti-Semitism without Jews, a new vehicle for hate.

The point of my post was only to point out that one attempt to create a Jewish "homeland" was made before 1948. I don't know whether the whole thing was a cheat' I get the impression that the Oblast functioned to some extent for a while until Stalin allowed his natural tendencies to take over...

 

Indeed, it may have worked for a while. Or, perhaps, this miserable murderer just wanted to put them together in case he decided to deal'administratively'(to use lenin's phrase) with them.

 

Actually, Birobidzhan Oblast continues to exist, but there are few if any Jews in it.
Speaking of troubled experiments, have the Muslim-run Bosnian or Albanian governments condemned these remarks?

 

More from this individual.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4527142.stm

 

It means more than we are willing to admit

Oh, yeah, he's preparing his people for war in some form or other. He's really not much more than the mouthpiece for the religious nutcases who run Iran.

Now why are we in Iraq again? Here's Iran, a state that is admittedly working to produce nuclear weapons, that admits to supporting Hamas, a terrorist organization and proud of it, who has actually commited SERIOUS unfriendly acts against the U.S., who is scaring the EU to death...and we sit and wring our hands.

Iran even profited mightily by our invasion of Iraq! We removed Iran's most dangerous neighbor and destabilized the area allowing Iran to paint itself as the hero of the Muslim World in the face of U.S. aggression...

Grrr...

 

I dont think anyone here thinks that we are not going to wake up one morning REAL soon and it will be a replay of that conflict. The isreali military is very percise and welll trained, not to mention they get there toys from us (and we have the best stuff). My real concern is to what extent it the Iranian nuclear programs, do they have any Chemical or Biological Weapons, and will they violate Iraqi Airspace (both israel and iran) should this conflict ensue. If the iranians were to gas the jewish state, they will nuke them, end of story. With possibly millions of dead arabs, we will have a very, very serious problem to deal with. I cant see this playing out well, and I really dont think that anyone will back down.


As for bible based policy. I dont think we should base policy on scriptute, but i dont think there is any problem with trying to gain some wisdom and historial perspective. That can be obtain from alot of places besides the bible...IMHO. My only issue is this tendency to have a double standard based on relations with us. I know in my personal relationship it underminds credibility.

 

Re: It means more than we are willing to admit

Hussein invaded Kuwait and we didn't finish the job the first time. The no fly zones and failing sanctions couldn't go on forever.

Hussein was a state sponsor of terrorism by paying bounties to the families of suicide bombers.

Hussein ordered an assasination attempt on one of our presidents.

There's just a few good reasons.

Iran will get theirs.

 

Re: It means more than we are willing to admit

Mark my words, Nosborne, it is just a question of time, Israel or the US bombs the nuclear facilities. Many people think Syria goes next. Not true. Next in line is Iran. The guy is working hard for it.

Can someone explain this? Is it part of a strategy? Why increase the tension unnecesarily? Is he trying to collect the support of all Muslims so that when the inevitable (Iran´s nuclear facilities are leveled to the ground) takes place he has addtional leverage and perhaps support from the Muslim world? What is the purpose of such an idiotic behavior?

 

Re: Re: It means more than we are willing to admit

Im not from that culture, but it seems to me that status is tied to spouting off at the mouth. Also, there is NO chance of backing down. I could be wrong, but like in france, it seems like Muslim Culture feels as if the opposition should make the consessions, or to put it differently they want the last dig. I dont think he can back out, and I think he is trying to gather support from other extemist and when the Israelis kick his arse then he can be the victim.....IMHO

 

Last reports that appeared in the press quoting intelleigence officers from both the US and Israel said that Iran was about ten years from getting a nuclear bomb. So that´s the maximum waiting time for a diplomatic solution. It should be solved within the following months.