How will Musk pay the people he's hiring?

Discussion in 'Political Discussions' started by nosborne48, Feb 7, 2025.

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  1. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    DOGE isn't an actual government agency. It has no budget.
     
  2. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Out of his own pocket, I would imagine. (Yes, I know. It violates all kinds of civil service rules about outside employment. I doubt seriously anyone is making Musk get his outside employment approved, ya know?)
     
  3. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Yes, and one interesting thing about that is that Musk may not have any sort of immunity. I wonder if he has thought about that?
     
  4. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I'm sure he's just counting on a Trump pardon if it comes to that.
     
  5. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Well, yes, but I was thinking of civil damages.
     
  6. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Oh yea! I hadn't thought of that. He might be making himself vulnerable to a big suit! He needs to make sure he's got a few lawyers working for him that are thinking about this kind of thing.
     
  7. SnafuRacer

    SnafuRacer Active Member

    You know how they will solve that: disinformation, obfuscation, information campaigns and then if it comes to legal: deny, delay and destroy. If it goes to the Supreme Court, well, the make up there is favorable, isn't it?
     
  8. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Are Defunct Federal Agencies Still Receiving Funds?

    According to the Federal Register, nearly 20% of federal agencies are either defunct or obsolete—yet they may still be receiving federal funds. Out of 441 listed agencies, 75 are considered obsolete.

    For example, the Air Quality National Commission was officially terminated in 1981, and Amtrak’s Reform Council has been inactive for over two decades. Yet, there seems to be little oversight or accountability in how these agencies and federal offices are managed.

    David L. Winstead, a member of the Public Buildings Reform Board (PBRB)—a federal agency tasked with reducing underutilized government properties—expressed frustration over the lack of transparency, particularly under the Biden administration:

    “I mean, it’s just ‘missing in action.’ Since COVID, it’s almost impossible to get a hold of anyone. Their cellphones aren’t even listed in many cases because they’re teleworking.”

    A 2023 PBRB report revealed that 23 major federal agencies were using only 12% of their headquarters space in Washington, D.C. Even more striking, an analysis of cellphone usage at the Department of Energy found that, on average, just eight people per day occupied its 1.2 million-square-foot headquarters on Independence Avenue.

    It goes on to note that USAGM and VOA are believed to be the only occupant of the building. At 1.2 million square feet, the Cohen Building far exceeds the area of the planned new headquarters building, but agency officials have asserted that much of the Cohen Building space was not actually used.

    Nevertheless, employees are wondering how agency staff at current levels will be able to fit at 1875 Pennsylvania Avenue, and this has been the subject of questions at recent internal Town Hall meetings.

    People are asking - Shouldn’t taxpayers demand greater oversight and efficiency in how federal funds and resources are managed?

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    Last edited: Feb 7, 2025
  9. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Well, I'm not quite sure the Supreme Court majority is in the tank. Not yet. I think the birthright citizenship cases will tell us one way or the other.

    I've come up with some arguments in support of the Executive Order but they all suffer from the same fatal flaw. They conflate the child being subject to the jurisdiction with the parents. I can't say that there is no possible argument but I don't see one that holds water. So if the Supreme Court does uphold the EO, my first thought will be that democracy in America is over. It might be over anyway.
     
    Last edited: Feb 8, 2025
  10. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    My opinion is that the following turns Lerner's post from social media potential misinformation into a good post.

    Agencies’ headquarters in DC remained ‘nearly empty’ in 2023, real-estate board finds
    https://federalnewsnetwork.com/facilities-construction/2024/04/agencies-headquarters-in-dc-remained-nearly-empty-in-2023-real-estate-board-finds/
     

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