How to earn degree while in Navy?

Yep, he definately won't have a problem with burning through his T.A...all of a whopping 12 credits per fiscal year .

Times like this, I wish I'd joined the glorious Air Force ;-)

 

Hello dear sir or madam. Can you please advise your son's age?

Perhaps after your son obtains his BS or BA degree, he will be interested in becoming a naval officer.

For enlistement purposes, perhaps the nuclear program, or the foreign language program would provide quite a few credits.

Since you mentioned that your son is interested in Japan, may I please suggest the Defence Language Institute? After receiving this training, and with the security clearances, he could perhaps obtain a position with the NSA after his retirement.

http://www.navy.com/cryptology/whatisacti

I do not know your son's age, or any pressing issues that your son may have.

But may I please suggest that your son take his time, and carefully consider becoming an officer. Also, your son can retake the ASVAB, so I suggest getting various study guides and studying them and practicing, and re-taking the ASVAB so that he can obtain an even higher score.

And finally, may I please suggest that your son consider enlistment options that will provide him with training that will enable him to obtain a civillian job in demand, with great pay. Perhaps air traffic control or the nuclear program or languages.

I realise that perhaps this post is not a direct answer for your question of how one can obtain a degree while in the Navy, but I feel that, since my post is sincere, that it will be of assistance to your son and others who might read this later.

I believe that, where military options are concerned, the so-called Big 3-Excelsior, et al, work extremely well. Perhaps Charter Oak can help.

Perhaps your son might consider waiting a bit longer to enlist, and obtain some more college credits. Whether in or out of the Navy, the DANTES exams are a great option, in my opinon.

In Georgia and Tennessee, there is the HOPE scholarship, and Georgia also has the HOPE grant. Perhaps other states have similiar programs, and your son could take some more classes before his enlistment.

At any rate, no matter what field your son enlists in, I believe that the DANTES (which should be free of charge to him) and Charter Oak or one of those schools would work well for him.

Good day!



http://archives.thedaily.washington.edu/2001/021401/N8.OFFICERCAN.html

http://www.nsgreatlakes.navy.mil/otcp/

http://www.navy.com/forum/thread.jspa?threadID=1027&tstart=60

http://www.nsgreatlakes.navy.mil/bulletin/ocs.html

http://usnavyocs.com/portal/index.php

http://usnavyocs.com/portal/modules.php?name=Your_Account&op=new_user

"Eligibility requirements for OCS include:
U.S. citizenship,
Excellent moral character and conduct,
Baccalaureate degree or higher from an accredited institution,
Excellent health and physical fitness,
Under age 35 for all designators, with lower age restrictions for many designator choices, ...."

 

9 reasons for your son to become a Cryptologic Technician Interpretive

Dear Gentleperson,

Please take note of numbers 6 and 7, as they relate to your questions about a degree and Japan.


http://www.navy.com/cryptology/benefits

http://www.navy.com/cryptology/becomingacti



9 reasons for your son to become a Cryptologic Technician Interpretive, in the US Navy


1. Extra pay for language proficiency. Receive up to $200/month for one language or $300/month for two or more languages

2. Working in a top-secret environment after gaining top-secret clearance

3. Generous promotions and advancement. CTIs generally promote faster than other jobs in the Navy

4. High-profile career. CTIs advise top-level decision-makers including Commanders and Admirals - some of which have served in the Navy for 25-30 years. In certain cases, the information CTIs compile must be reported directly to the U.S. President within 10 minutes

5. World-renowned education. All CTIs get extensive language training at the Defense Language Institute (DLI) in Monterey, CA. DLI is one of the most respected of all foreign language institutions

6. Opportunity to earn an Associate of Arts in Language degree. Opportunity after first enlistment to complete Bachelor of Science in Strategic Intelligence or Master of Science in Intelligence at the Joint Military Intelligence College

7. Opportunity to travel to, live in and learn about other countries and cultures. Based on language specialty, CTIs could live in Australia, Korea, Japan, Spain, England, Bahrain, Hawaii, Puerto Rico and other countries, as required

8. Opportunity to work in various Navy settings including surface, submarine, aircrew and Special Warfare communities.

9. Advanced technical training on multi-million dollar equipment handling highly classified information

 

Re: 9 reasons for your son to become a Cryptologic Technician Interpretive

Yes, with a cap at 2 languages...You could speak 4, but not receive any additional pay for them. *Supposedly*, Congress is working on this. This was a huge problem in "the Fleet",especially working side-by-side with civilians making 4-5x as much for the same proficiency.

Aside from Musicians (21-year-old 1st Classes, anyone?), yes, CTI's promote quite quickly.

This, more than any other reason, is why I'd recommend being a linguist...not necessarily a Navy one, though, as this is hardly a benefit unique to Navy linguists.

Yes, DLI is now regionally-accredited to issue A.A's in Language. The degrees in intelligence are granted through the Joint Military Intelligence College, which is an entirely different school.

Rule out: Australia, Spain, and Puerto Rico, as these are effectively non-options for Navy linguists.(at least Puerto Rico is completely out since there's no longer a base there, and Australia and Spain assignments are very rare for linguists). Where you go is HIGHLY dependent on your language and your language proficiency.

 

I mean absolutely no disrespect, and I point out that my wife is a retired CPO, but I wonder if the CTI advantages cited above are the same things that attracted John Walker to that rate. I wonder if he thinks about those sort of things in Marion, or Florence, or wherever he is serving his time.

 

Hello. Just for clarification here, those 9 reasons listed are from the navy's webpage that I cited in my post, they are not my reasons.

The reason that I posted those benefits, were because I was trying to help with ideas, because languages and Japan were mentioned by sympatheticear.

Other than considering becoming an officer, I think that air traffic control, the nuclear program, or the language programs should be considered. Those are my thoughts, and I was only trying to help.

Please excuse me if I seem a bit defensive, but I was recently criticised at another forum, and it disturbed me because I was sincere and trying to be helpful.

In regard to John Walker, I would like to read the book detailing that case. Did the father advise his son to enlist in that field? I found this link, but I have not read it yet.

http://www.crimelibrary.com/terrorists_spies/spies/walker/1.html

Is John Walker at the federal prison in Penn. ?

http://inmateloc.bop.gov/locatorservlet/gov.bop.inmatelocator.FindInmateHttpServlet?Indiv=1&Index=2&Indiv=-1&MiddleName=a&Results=10&SearchType=NAME&LastName=walker&FirstName=john&Gender=M&Race=W&Age=&DateOfBirth=

Good day to all.

 

Wow, the response to this thread has been incredible and I thank you all. My son is only 19 years old. The language portion of his exam was perfect, his math just above average, so he is pretty sharp. He wants to enlist within the next couple of months because he feels he needs the structure and discipline that the military offers. He wasn't pressured into this by anyone in the family, so it is his own choice. Both his grandfathers were in the Navy during WWII and his late uncle had the special distinction of Pearl Harbor survivor. I feel that 19 is young, but my father was still in high school at the outbreak of WWII and enlisted as soon as he graduated. My son has had a year of college and work experience. He eventually wants to work in some type of law enforcement, be it FBI, CIA or CHP, but he's too young to apply.

 

my recruiting bit for the day

Is your son 100% set on the Navy? There are some great linguist and intel jobs in the Air Force. Also, if your son is planning on trying to knock out school while he is in, realize that there are some significant differences between the services when it comes to tuition assistance.

http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/joiningup/a/recruiter8_2.htm

 

I've been active duty army for 15 1/2 years, with the exception of this job all of my post have been in various cav recon platoons, the point being your son should also look at the quality of life in each service. The air force is first in my opinion, and they push education, and are usually are in a location to access it. Even in Iraq, I am pretty sure that the air force was the first to set up an educational testing area/internet uplink. It is something to think about. The air force has intel and security forces, of course, as do all the services.

Bill

 

We're talking about the former CWO John Walker of Cold War espionage infamy, right? If so, I'm about 90% certain that he was actually the equivalent of an "O" brancher, especially considering that the particular info he leaked wouldn't have been under an I-brancher's purview.

 

Also, I'd have to agree that if your son were positively set on becoming a linguist, I'd definately recommend almost any service BUT the Navy, especially the Air Force.

 

Hello.

Yes, (not to be jumping on the Air Force bandwagon), I would also suggest that if your son is not dead-set on the navy, that he would please consider the air force. Generally speaking, enlisted men are treated better in the air force as opposed to the other branches.

However, if your son is really dead-set on the military, again, I would please urge him to consider obtaining a degree first and then becoming an officer, as opposed to enlisting now. The air force has different degree qualifications for OTS/OCS than the other brances.

I do not wish for your son to become disappointed and disillusioned later. I feel that perhaps as an enlisted man, this could happen because of the lifestyle of officers.

Your son already has 1 year down, by taking dantes and clep exams, he could complete at least another year of credits in a very short time, and he could use Charter Oak to obtain a degree.

Also, you mentioned that your son feels that he needs disiplicine and structure in his life. Perhaps 2 months is not enough time for him to prepare.

I believe that in this life, preparation is the key. Is he in a hurry to leave and enlist?

Because, he could buy the study-guides and retake the ASVAB.

He could spend time preparing for Boot Camp/Basic Training by getting up early, doing lots of exercises, and studying the Blue Jacket's Manual or other service manuals. (these are readily available).

If it were me, I would not enlist without preparing. Boot camp/Basic training is the place to excel, if anything, but not to be singled out for punishment.

Preparing ahead of time is not cheating, or a waste of time-it is just good common sense.

If you wish, please you or your son private message me.

I guess basically, what I would respectfully like is for your son to not get into any hurry, and take his time before enlisting, and be really sure about what branch of service he wants.

 

Both of my son's grandfathers were in the Navy as well as several other relatives, so he feels drawn to the Navy. He likes being near the water. He hasn't signed his papers yet but will probably do so in the next few weeks. He first visited with a recruiter at age 17, so he has had 2 years to think it over.

 

sympatheticear,

Your son is making a fine choice to serve his country in the United States Navy. Most of these recommendations are coming from those that have never served in the Navy so take them with a grain of salt. He can obtain his education while in the Navy if he works in that direction. If he spends all his time goofing off he may not, just like anywhere else.

Please do not listen to Jacques about retaking the ASVAB. For god’s sake, he scored an 88. He's qualified for every enlisted job the Navy has so there is absolutely no reason to even consider this.

In the interest of fair disclosure, I'm an active duty Navy Recruiting Supervisor and would be happy to answer any questions you or your son may have.

Regardless, tell him I said "Welcome Aboard".

NCC(AW) Ray Trautman

 

Managed to squeeze in 4 years as a CTI before linguists were made to go 6. So, I know a thing or two about the community ;-)

Bear in mind, my comments revolve specifically around the linguist side of things. I can't comment on the "greater Navy", and I'm sure there are plenty of other rates that offer job satisfaction and productiveness. I've met BM's that have loved doing work that on the surface, seems arduous and exhausting. I've met airedales that actually *look forward* to going out to sea on a carrier...A lot of the Navy is ultimately what you make of it, but as far as being a linguist *specifically* goes, the Air Force has the Navy beat S-O-U-N-D-L-Y (for starters, a 5.5 SRB multiple across the board for ALL zones and ALL languages ?!)

 

I may not have served in the Navy, but I do deal with them occassionally, especially as the forces have really moved forward into Joint Operations, furthermore, I have numerous soldiers that got out of the Navy and joined the Army. With the Navy picjking up the tab on only 12 SH per year unless things have changed, the Air Force (and Army) pay 4500 per year for education, no limit on SH (I have the army pay for 18 semester hours with TA, and use my GI Bill to pay for the rest). If your school is cheaper than the current $702 I pay per three hour class, then you can pay for more SH than I currently earn. The probablem with the Army is access to classes when deployed, depending on your job. In my opinion, the Air Force (who flys us around) just has better quality of life and ensures their airman have access to courses to. I agree the Navy has more access than the Army, but with TA and SH caps, the Air Force is a better choice if you just want to join, do a few years, and earn a degree. This is not including the job training you will receive in the services--if you want tech training, go Navy or Air Force, if you want to go CIA as an operator, then earn a degree, go Delta/Special Forces in the Army, or Navy Seals, or Force Recon. If you want to go FBI, get a degree in Accounting.

SFC W Parker

 

LOL!!!

"please don't listen to Jacques".

First of all, I never wrote that your son had a bad ASVAB score. But why not practice and score even higher? (LOL-my high school teachers told me that I could only take the SAT once, and that there was no way to prepare for the SAT!) My experience with recruiters has been that the personnel at the MEPS center, like the classifiers, are the ones with the knowledge.

Mr. Recruiter, have you seen this young man's ASVAB scores? Are you sure that he will qualify for ANY area?

Also, the personal attack on me comes from a recruiter. LOL! Is this because the US Air Force was mentioned?

Furthermore, I do have military (No, I never served in the US Navy) and law enforcement experience, and my father served in the US Navy during and after WWII.

And please, I am not posting here to tell anyone that my written words are the words of God. Anyone can do what ever the heck they want to. But someone posted here asking some questions about the US Navy and a degree, and I'm only trying to sincerely be of help.

What's the matter with trying to help someone and give someone other options?

Why be critical of me when I am only sincerely trying to help someone?

Why does Barnes and Noble sell ASVAB study guides then? Why are there 1 year preparatory schools for the US Military Academies then?

If he wants to go ahead and enlist now, then, by gawd, let him!

It's none of my business, and I didn't post here to start any flame war with anyone.

And I did not realise that I had to post my entire life's history in order to help someone here. This is ridiculous! I just read another post at this forum where a poster identifying himself as a medical doctor was called a troll!

I am always amazed at people who absolutely refuse to plan ahead or make any prepartions in life, and then go through life saying, "shoulda, woulda, coulda".

Here we have the opportunity to offer advice to a young 19 year old man. He can take any advice or leave it. Advice is coming from different areas and ages. But why must we criticise others who are only sincerely trying to help someone?

Mr. Recruiter, I do not know this young man who is considering enlisting. Maybe he is in great shape and can easily go without sleep and loves getting up early in the morning. Or, and no offence intended, maybe he likes sleeping late, is overweight, and likes playing computer games? Maybe he is a really polite and super young man? Who knows? Only the original poster here. At any rate, what is the matter with advising the young man to wait, and examine the situation carefully?

Maybe the young man will change his mind and want to be a pharmacist's mate so that he can later go to medical school in the Ukraine? Who knows?

My experience in life has been that patience, and caution are generally virtues.

Mr. Recruiter, I never wrote that this young man's decision was a bad choice, or that he was un-American (whatever that means).

My personal experience and opinion, is that I would take recommendations from a recruiter with a grain of salt, and I would tend to consider more objective opinions.

Perhaps your son can talk with some enlisted sailors (that are not recruiters) for their thoughts. Perhaps your son can speak with some naval officers as well.

If we do not share knowledge and experience with a 19 year old man, but rather keep secrets, what is the good of "education" in this society?

 

http://www.navyadvancement.com/navy-store/navy-college-education.php

http://www.navyadvancement.com/navy-store/navy-manuals/index.htm

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1557505365/ref=pd_sim_books_1/104-5429372-3519114?v=glance&s=books

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1557502218/104-5429372-3519114?v=glance

http://www.tpub-products.com/index.php?cPath=24&osCsid=ed9b8fc52ca19f4ff8fda3fa130b6361

"For sailors getting an education or college degree in the Navy can be sometimes difficult given the hours we work and the tours we do. There is hope however......" - from the website listed above

"Hope is a good thing. And no good thing ever dies." - from S. King

I am hoping that my information given freely can help someone.

If I were going to enlist in the US Navy, I would at least read
"The Bluejackets' Manual" and "Honor, Courage, Commitment: Navy Boot Camp ", before I went to boot camp.

However, since I am not in the US Navy, my posts and information should be ignored. (smiles)

Good day.

 

Re: Re: How to earn degree while in Navy?

Did they want you to go Nuke as well? The recruiter pushed and pushed until I told him to back off (and walked out of his office). Unfortunately, most sailors that I knew who went Nuclear didn't go up in grade very fast (I got out in 5 1/2 years as an ET2 - a friend had nearly 8 years and was only a ET3)

I beleive they merged the ET grade - didn't they? I got out in 85 and haven't really given it a second thought.

I did get college credits for my training though ( and a good job right out of the service even though the economy was poor at the time). I think I only had to take 3-5 more electronics course to complete the degree - along with some general ed.

 

Re: Re: Re: How to earn degree while in Navy?

I scored so high on the ASVAB that I qualified for just about every job in the military, including Nukes.

The Navy recruiter made it look so appealing, but at the time, the Army had a $2000 enlistment bonus for combat arms (Infantry, Artillery, or Armor), so I whored myself out and went Infantry.

Hey.....$2000 was a lot of money for an 18-year old in 1983!!