Hey, we're non-profit!!!

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  1. Michigan68

    Michigan68 Active Member

    My non-profit school (Baker College, Michigan) decided to purchase a unaccredited law school in California (Earn Your Juris Doctor Degree Online | St. Francis School of Law) and a dying school in Pennsylvania.
    Meanwhile . . . no scholarships, adjunct salaries declining . . .
     
  2. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Having worked both for a tuition-dependent non-profit and a school that was then for-profit, I didn't see significant difference in the values displayed nor in the behavior toward students, faculty, and staff. I'm skeptical that the tax status of an institution is anywhere near as important as other influences on its organizational culture.
     
  3. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    Baker College does offer scholarships and so do some for-profits, but usually not on a large scale. Baker College says it has the lowest tuition rate of any private college in the state of Michigan. If the alumni really cared about having more full-time instructors, they could donate to the school. Purchasing a non-profit law school (the first non-profit, online law school that is meant to be convenient for working adults) and saving another school from closing is in line with their mission.

    We could go tit for tat with anecdotal experiences. I, too, worked at a for-profit and public university. While the public university had some issues, they pale in comparison to the issues at the for-profit school. To be fair, though, the for-profit school was accredited by ACCSC. My theory is that ACCSC and ACICS schools, as a whole, are the worst accredited colleges in the U.S. regardless of tax status.
     
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  4. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    Harvard has an endowment of $37 billion (billion with a "B"), yet recently told the campus police that they couldn't afford a reasonable pay raise and some adjustment for benefits. I can't think of many things more important than the safety of students and employees of a school, but I guess that's okay, because Harvard is "non-profit".

    I'm quite certain that will deter the next madman who wants to shoot-up a campus, they'll just move on to one of those evil proprietary schools. :rolleyes:
     
  5. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    I looked at the Baker College website, and they have about four dozen scholarships listed. Some of the scholarships are internal and some are external. One of the internal scholarships is worth $20,000.
     
  6. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    The overwhelming majority of proprietary schools with brick and mortar campuses do not have campus police at all. You're lucky to see an armed security guard. Harvard pays an officer with less than 6 mos experience $52k, which is actually pretty high for university police. The salary is probably that high because of the cost of living in that area.
     
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  7. Michigan68

    Michigan68 Active Member

    When I started my DBA program in Sept 2015, no scholarships for Masters or DBA programs. Only AS and BBA. You also must be on some type of state aid.
     
  8. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    I want to add that, after two years, campus police are making $73k which is ridiculously high for campus police. Most municipal police officers don't make that much with just two years on the job. The base salary for NYPD after 2.5 years is only $55k.
     
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  9. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    Scholarships are extremely rare for graduate students across the board. What is more common is a research or teaching assistantship or fellowships at research universities, and Baker College is not a research university.
     
  10. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    You make that sound like that would be a bad thing. I've always thought the more shared experiences are available, the better for everyone.

    Maybe as a whole. Although (warning: anecdotal evidence!) I worked for a regionally accredited non-profit that was run so poorly that it closed, and a ACICS-accredited school that was run passably well IMHO, so if that is the rule there are exceptions to it.
     
  11. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    There are always exceptions. There are bad private non-profits, bad public universities, and bad for-profit colleges. There are good private non-profits, good public universities, and decent for-profits. I don't think I've come across an amazing for-profit. In general, schools accredited by ACICS and ACCSC are way overpriced and have to follow their accreditor's stupid rules. I don't have direct experience working for a school accredited by ACICS, but I do with a school accredited by ACCSC. They were too concerned about things that had nothing to do with the quality of education being provided. The instructors had to spend so much time on paperwork; it was ridiculous.
     

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