GOP is "neo-fascist"

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  1. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Unsurprisingly, all 14 characteristics also apply to those on the far left.
     
  2. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    The term "far left" is now devoid of all meaning, thanks to the mainstream right practicing point 14. Who do you mean, specifically?
    Historically, yep, Leninism and Stalinism did hit the majority of targets here. Practically invented Newspeak, for example; fascists had to copy it wholesale. Now? Maybe some freaks on the fringe qualify.
     
  3. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    I missed the list. Was one of them "stormed the US Capitol, attempted to usurp our democracy, and got people killed"? I'm having trouble accepting the both-sides-ism.
     
  4. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Same they did to federal buildings and workers in Seattle only different crowd.
    Both cases are lawlessness. Maybe the attackers on Jan 6th learned from Oregon, Seattle etc that
    One occupation lasted moths.
     
  5. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    "Same"?

    Good God!
     
  6. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    An insurrection where 140 police were injured and 5 people died and over 500 people were arrested is the same as a few arrests and injuries because people on the right hate folks on the left and love Trump supporters. So it all evens out to be the same.
     
  7. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Incredibly false equivalency. One attacked the US Capitol in order to halt--HALT--the democratic process of naming the next president.

    This country has sustained protest--even violent protest--during its entire history. But only one party chose to support an attack on both the Capitol, the Constitution, and democracy itself. You can try to rationalize it with whataboutism, but it doesn't change that very simple fact.

    Those people, and the politicians who both supported and spurred them on, are traitors and criminals.
     
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  8. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    What is actually going on is what happens when one only listens to far right biased media, The far right biased media minimizes and belittles the January 6 insurrection, while also exaggerating and demonizing anything they can when it comes from any minority race. It means a large part of the far right base has a different sense of reality. I agree with you that the Jan 6 insurrectionist and politicians supporting them are traitors and criminals. I'm just trying to explain how such a ridiculous position can even be typed out in print as a sincere belief.
     
  9. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    That's fair, and I said "far" to make it clear I didn't mean garden variety Democrats or those on the center-left. I meant the intersectionality wing of the left, whose cultural influence is growing beyond being freaks on the fringe.

    The list was on page one of this thread, and no, specific events weren't on it, only traits.

    It would be wrong to say that the leftwing violence in West coast cities is equivalent in significance to the January 6 insurrection. But it would also be wrong to say that it's nonexistent or irrelevant.
     
  10. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    The term "intersectionality" refers to a certain way of thinking in the social sciences that attempt to understand dynamics of oppression and privilege. Do tell me how thinking this idea is valid makes you guilty of any of the 14 points. The right-wing propaganda using words like these as labels for nebulous Big Bad (another one is "Critical Race Theory) is one of the tricks they use to smear all the left. Just because some neo-Marxist groups might (might, because notice how you still didn't specify who are those you refer to) use this term in their (allegedly) Fascistic ideology does not mean it is an "intersectionality wing". Using it like this is being a pawn in culture wars.
     
  11. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I was talking about accountability, the violent protests of Seattle and Portland sent message that rioters can do what they want and there will be no accountability for their actions.
     
  12. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    Boston Tea Party sent message that rioters can do what they want and there will be no accountability for their actions. Does not make it an equivalent of Kristallnacht, not Jan. 6th Koo-Koo Koup attempt.
     
  13. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    As to fascism - many modern liberals and leftists act as if they know exactly what fascism is and they see it everywhere-except when they look in the mirror!
    Because they probably not only don't know the roots of their political ideology, but probably don't want to know it either.
    Beyond any reasonable doubt that what we call "Fascism," is definitely a form of Socialism.
    Progressivsm a sister movement of fascism.
    Conservatives view in great irony of course, that those individuals who define themselves as Liberal, Left-wing, Leftist and Progressive, are much closer to being Fascists and Nazis in their ideology than those who identify as Libertarian, Conservative. Fascism has already took over the USA in the form of Progressivism.
    The history of the left, From Mussolini to the Politics of Change is something to review and make comparisons.
    As I mentioned before fascism piggybacks on political movements, parties, on all sides. So who ever claiming GOP is such a has no knowledge of the history of the left.


    For the GOP once they capture majority in both houses the conserving of the status quo should be one of the primary aims of government.
     
  14. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Kind of like then the accountability of an unpaid parking fine lead a mob of people to believe that it was okay to have an insurrection where 140 police are inured, 5 people die while a mob is trying to stop the peaceful transfer of power for our democracy. Sorry that really doesn't make sense.
     
  15. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I couldn't respond to this after first seeing it because I really couldn't make sense out of it. I must guess that you have a misunderstanding of what the word fascist means. Here's the definition from Wictionary.com.
    1. Any right-wing, authoritarian, nationalist ideology characterized by centralized, totalitarian governance, strong regimentation of the economy and of society, and repression of criticism or opposition. autocracy or oligarchy usually to the extent of bending and breaking the law, race-baiting, and/or violence against largely unarmed populations.
    2. (by extension) Any system of strong autocracy or oligarchy usually to the extent of bending and breaking the law, race-baiting, and/or violence against largely unarmed populations.
     
  16. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    1. I was kidding about "the list" to make a point.
    2. I agree, as I noted in my post.
     
  17. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    The problem with our day politics on wide spectrum is that propaganda and lies are at the very heart of the power-hungry who have twisted the truth out of all recognition to the historical facts.
    The media should be a shame at their blatant disregard of truth and attempted destruction of democracy. ( most are biased to left or right) some are centrist.
    Here is my view:
    At the twenty first century fascism remains probably the vaguest of the major political terms.
    Fascism shares roots with Progressivism, but this does not mean Fascism is not Right-wing, but this also does not mean everyone defined as Right-wing is a Fascist. In the same way, not everyone defined as Left-wing is a Progressive.
    GOP is not against progressive society, but its for driving with-in the speed limit toward such society.
    I recommend to study the origins of Progressivism and the roots it shares with Fascism.
     
    Last edited: Jul 17, 2021
  18. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    I find it pretty hard to believe that despite your time in academia you have no idea of the sort of people I'm talking about, but if that's your position, then so be it.
     
  19. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    This post doesn't make much more sense. You don't seem to have a common understanding of progressivism either. I have no clue what you think progressivism is. I'm just making a wild guess here based on your personal history but American progressivism is not tied up in communism either, if that is what you're thinking.
     
  20. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Lerner, I'm taking another shot into the dark here.

    Communism is fascist. Although it could be argued that Marxism is on the left but since there has never been an implementation of Marxism in a real country I can only assume that based on philosophy. But, Marxism has absolutely nothing to do with progressive politics even if that is what you were thinking.
     
    Last edited: Jul 18, 2021

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