Florida universities hit by brain drain as academics flee

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  1. MaceWindu

    MaceWindu Active Member

    MaceWindu, Jul 31, 2023
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  2. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    Nothing like attacks on tenure, accreditation and academic freedom to drive away academics.
     
    Dustin, Jul 31, 2023
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  3. wmcdonald

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    There will be plenty in line for those positions.
     
    wmcdonald, Jul 31, 2023
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  4. Rachel83az

    Rachel83az Well-Known Member

    That's the point, IMO.
     
    Rachel83az, Jul 31, 2023
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  5. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Agreed. But no one should be surprised. Mainstream higher education has been transformed into a societal institution hostile to conservatism, and one of the predictable consequences of picking a side in a culture war is that the other side fights back. It's the price of orthodoxy.
     
    SteveFoerster, Jul 31, 2023
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  6. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Some things don't have two sides.

    But let's accept, for a moment, that higher education is a liberal bastion. Okay. Are there not conservative bastions within which liberalism would not be welcomed? (Some readily occur to me.) Would one expect a liberal perspective to be given equal treatment in them? I wouldn't.

    And is it necessary to accept both liberalism and conservatism in balance? I know that many conservatives reject liberalism--violently in some cases. Isn't it reasonable that liberals would find conservatism equally useless to them?
     
    Rich Douglas, Jul 31, 2023
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  7. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    It's very hard to find academics who are not liberal. It's not the education that makes them liberal. Liberal people are just more attracted to academics, especially certain fields of academics. Conservative Christian universities have professors who are secretly liberal and even atheist/agnostic. A large Christian university near me has a right-leaning student population, but the professors and administration are openly very liberal.
     
    sanantone, Jul 31, 2023
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  8. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    I deliberately was being descriptive, not advocatory. I don't believe one can reasonably argue that that mainstream higher education is not a bastion of progressivism, regardless of whether one believes this is a good thing or a bad thing or is indifferent to it. And since it is, opposition to it from conservatives is understandable, again regardless of one's opinion of that opposition.
     
    SteveFoerster, Jul 31, 2023
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  9. Rich Douglas

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    I guess that's my point. I don't argue that HE isn't liberal. I suggest that it is on purpose, it is not a bad thing, and it isn't necessarily tasked with being "fair and balanced."

    I would not expect a fundamentalist church to be a place where liberalism shined as brightly as conservatism, and I do not expect the reverse to be true in higher ed.
     
    Rich Douglas, Jul 31, 2023
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