First question to Henrik re-Knightsbridge University

Discussion in 'General Distance Learning Discussions' started by George Brown, Jul 6, 2003.

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  1. Gus Sainz

    Gus Sainz New Member

    Really? Did your dictionary actually use the terms missleading and ignornant? :rolleyes:

    If you believe my writing is pointless and meaningless, it only proves my point that my writing is simply beyond your comprehension. (Although I don’t expect you to understand this point or post either.)

    Once again, all we see from you is vitriolic opinions, without anything to substantiate them. If you disagree with something I stated, why don’t you succinctly refute a specific point? Because it is obvious that you would love to prove me wrong, the fact that you don’t proves you can’t. (You would think that since I have a “complete lack of knowledge on a particlar subject” and I am so missleading and ignornant, this would be any easy task for you.)

    I only asked for a single post of yours that was informative or helpful concerning distance education, just one. I have read (more than once) all 150+ of your posts and can’t find one. If you are incapable of finding one as well, what does that say about your 150+ posts? (C’mon, Dr. Quack, a preeminent researcher such as you shouldn’t be having difficulty with such a request. Just one!)

    So, let’s see. You now speak for all “serious” DegreeInfo members? Hmmm. Moreover, I don’t understand. Is it you who would be surprised if I had any qualifications and “serious” DegreeInfo members wouldn’t be, or is it the other way around? Can you even explain why my credentials are relevant to this discussion?

    So if I told you that all my degrees were regionally accredited, that would mean to you regional accreditation is somehow illegitimate or a figment of my imagination? I don’t get it. (I’m not sure what time it is in “kiwi” land, but it seems that at the time of your post, “happy hour” had come and gone. :D :D :D )
     
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  2. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    Carville.
     
  3. Gus Sainz

    Gus Sainz New Member

    Matlin!

    (Who said I couldn't be brief?) :D
     
  4. fnhayes

    fnhayes New Member

    More precisely Gus, my dictionary said - aimless, misleading, ignorant talk or writing, verbiage, prattle, twaddle, blather, hot air, run on, quibble, beat about the bush, rabbit on, etc., etc.
    Suggest you read my posts about DL and TOPNZ's "WETLANDS" and "FIREARMS SAFETY" courses. Both courses being world leaders in their fields in DL education; both accredited by the NZQA and both of which I wrote.
    Not to mention the brown teal dissertation, which seems to have featured in numerous posts.
    Then there are several posts about recognition of prior learning/experience, the value of non-traditional universities, Frank Abagnale's success with fraudulent documents, the hunters role in conservation, etc., etc., etc.
    Still waiting for your response to plcscott's request.
    Dr Duck x 2 = lots of brown teal!:)
     
  5. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Henrik has most likely not posted for one of two reasons.

    1. He's busy or on vacation.
    2. He simply decided that his posts were not benefitting KU.

    I consider fnhayes assertion that he isn't posting because he was attacked to be groundless and an insult to everyone involved, including Henrik. He knew that he was getting in the hot seat before he showed up. I thought that his posts were very delightful but there was apparently nothing he could produce that would support KU as an academic institution of sound standing, at least so far in the discussion. Therefore, my best guess is the second choice but I'm still hoping that it is the first possibility.
     
  6. Gus Sainz

    Gus Sainz New Member

    Wow! You think my writing is all that? Why is then that you are incapable of succinctly refuting a single statement of mine?

    The request was for a post of helpful information concerning distance education. Posts that concern your off-topic personal interests or promote your manual and the bogus school that sold you your degree do not fit that description.

    Why?

    Dr Hayes, you appear to be unwilling or incapable of addressing specific issues and statements and prefer instead to post vitriolic opinions in the guise of some kind of summation. I don’t believe that continuing to respond to your posts serves the interests of the members of this forum. If you have anything to say to me, send me a private message.
     
  7. fnhayes

    fnhayes New Member

    I'm sure most readers believe that I've answered your questions Gus. I am, however, more than happy to provide a great deal more information about the TOPNZ DL courses I've been involved with if that's what you need. I have mentioned in other posts that TOPNZ is by far the largest DL establishment in NZ, with over 40,000 students annually, offering courses from trade level to graduate degree level, together with a range of non-vocational courses.
    The Firearms Safety course I mentioned is one of only two methods of fulfilling the 'study & test' requirements for obtaining a firearms licence in New Zealand. It is unique in world firearm safety education, in as much as it has Government accreditation
    and successful completion of the course gains seven credits on the NZQA's National Framework. In fifteen years nearly 5,000 have been enrolled and the course completion rate is slightly over 70%. It is completed almost entirely by DL and includes a comprehensive video, four written modules, use of the internet,
    a 'hands on' verified visit to a gun club, gunsmith, gunshop and local Police Arms Officer, and a comprehensive assessment paper.
    Dr Duck :)
     
  8. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Knightsbridge is not a Danish university.

    Knightsbridge operates without any governmental approval, licensure, recognition, etc.

    Knightsbridge is not accredited by any recognized accreditor. (It is "self-validating.")

    Degrees from Knightsbridge have no academic meaning.

    One may or may not be able to obtain an education at Knightsbridge, but one cannot tell in advance. It is certain, however, that one cannot obtain a degree.

    A claim of a degree from such a school cannot be used in any situation where a degree from a properly recognized school is required. Such a claim only serves to fool people.

    The education at Knightsbridge may or may not be real, but its degrees certainly are not.

    Is any of the above in dispute?
     
  9. MarkIsrael@aol.com

    [email protected] New Member

    Knightsbridge University's Website is currently down. It's not nice to hit others when they're down.
     
  10. henrikfyrst

    henrikfyrst New Member

    Mark,

    On 15th July you posted the following:

    QUOTE
    "Henrik writes:

    > The nearest I get to a 'Prinz' is the odd German biscuit.

    Your Web page http://www.thembazone.com/mba/uk/mba394.htm does mention "royalty", though. (I know that's old text, but your Web page http://www.knightsbridgeuniversity.com/about.html still mentions "royalty".)"
    UNQUOTE

    At the time I was unable to respond, later I forgot about it.

    Royalty, indeed. I thought, however, that you were enquiring about yours truly, and it certainly is true that the blood in my veins is of the claret variety. Mind, being Danish, sweet of nature and a 'prince', I ought to be at least in 'Hamlet'.

    As for 'getting near' to candidates, that's a rarity, we hardly ever see anyone face-to-face. Shame, really.


    Henrik
     
  11. henrikfyrst

    henrikfyrst New Member

    Rich Douglas shared the following on 5th August:

    "Knightsbridge is not a Danish university.

    Knightsbridge operates without any governmental approval, licensure, recognition, etc.

    Knightsbridge is not accredited by any recognized accreditor. (It is "self-validating.")

    Degrees from Knightsbridge have no academic meaning.

    One may or may not be able to obtain an education at Knightsbridge, but one cannot tell in advance. It is certain, however, that one cannot obtain a degree.

    A claim of a degree from such a school cannot be used in any situation where a degree from a properly recognized school is required. Such a claim only serves to fool people.

    The education at Knightsbridge may or may not be real, but its degrees certainly are not.

    Is any of the above in dispute?"

    This riled me at the time of reading, as I was unable to respond. I understand that Rich has since decided to take his talents elsewhere, but the above still stands unchallenged. No doubt Rich pops back once in a while for a good lurk, anyway.

    To take his final question first, yes, it is all in dispute, if not the statements directly then what has been deliberately implied by them. So there.

    Knightsbridge IS a Danish university. It is a university, it is in Denmark.

    Knightsbridge 'operates without any governmental approval, licensure, recognition, etc' because such are not required. Nor do we seek them. Nor are they available to institutions receiving fees from students.

    Degrees from Knightsbridge have exactly the same 'academic meaning' (would have been interesting to see a definition of this phrase) as degrees from any other university providing quality education.

    One can certainly obtain a degree from Knightsbridge, if eligible for entry and willing to put in the work required. And it will be a 'real' degree.

    Basta.


    Henrik
     
  12. henrikfyrst

    henrikfyrst New Member

    Mark,

    On 15th July you posted the following:

    QUOTE
    "Henrik writes:

    > The nearest I get to a 'Prinz' is the odd German biscuit.

    Your Web page http://www.thembazone.com/mba/uk/mba394.htm does mention "royalty", though. (I know that's old text, but your Web page http://www.knightsbridgeuniversity.com/about.html still mentions "royalty".)"
    UNQUOTE

    At the time I was unable to respond, later I forgot about it.

    Royalty, indeed. I thought, however, that you were enquiring about yours truly, and it certainly is true that the blood in my veins is of the claret variety. Mind, being Danish, sweet of nature and a 'prince', I ought to be at least in 'Hamlet'.

    As for 'getting near' to candidates, that's a rarity, we hardly ever see anyone face-to-face. Shame, really.


    Henrik
     
  13. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I believe your statement is incorrect. The only evidence presented on the subject indicates that KU does not participate in the greater academic community. I also seriously doubt that a KU degree would be considered as sufficient evidence of academic accomplishment for employment at or admitance into an accredited university. On the other hand perhaps you were using a different definition for "academic meaning"? Perhaps you were using it along the same lines of someone buying a non-fiction book and studying it can have "academic meaning"?
     
  14. henrikfyrst

    henrikfyrst New Member

    Bill Huffman,

    I said:

    QUOTE
    "Degrees from Knightsbridge have exactly the same 'academic meaning' (would have been interesting to see a definition of this phrase) as degrees from any other university providing quality education."
    UNQUOTE

    And you said:

    QUOTE
    "I believe your statement is incorrect. The only evidence presented on the subject indicates that KU does not participate in the greater academic community. I also seriously doubt that a KU degree would be considered as sufficient evidence of academic accomplishment for employment at or admitance into an accredited university. On the other hand perhaps you were using a different definition for "academic meaning"? Perhaps you were using it along the same lines of someone buying a non-fiction book and studying it can have "academic meaning"?"
    UNQUOTE

    Again, you 'believe'.

    I am perfectly aware of what to me is inherent in the notion of 'academic meaning'. That is why I am confident that our programmes have the same such meaning as programmes offered by other institutions offering quality education. And so I mentioned that it would be interesting to know what it meant to you. In response to which you post some obscure, unsubstantiated supposition as to what you think my interpretation is. But nothing about what it means to you.

    You also have not :

    a) defined what you mean by the term 'greater academic community', nor;
    b) why any institution must belong to this construct to be in your eyes credible, nor;
    c) why it is you think that a primary concern must be for graduates to be able to gain entrance to 'an accredited university'.


    Henrik
     
  15. MarkIsrael@aol.com

    [email protected] New Member

    Dear Henrik, if you are not an educator, why does the "International Journal of Intelligence, Security and Terrorism Studies" at http://www.knightsbridgeuniversity.com/working.html call you "Prof. Henrik Kristensen"?
     
  16. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    Aaaaaggghh! It's--
    The Thread That Would Not Die!!!
     
  17. fnhayes

    fnhayes New Member

    Mark,
    In New Zealand very few full Professors ever do any teaching/educating. Such menial tasks are carried out by Associate Professors and/or Lecturers. Full Professors are invariably lumbered with the more demanding clerical/administrative duties.
    I'm sure NZ is little different to anywhere else? And I'm sure you already know this?
    Dr Anatidae
     
  18. MarkIsrael@aol.com

    [email protected] New Member

    FNHayes is correct.

    I once saw a diagram of how an academic spends his career. It's a square divided by a large X into 4 triangles. The horizontal axis is time (from the beginning to the end of the career), and you read the graph by area. The left triangle is "Research". The bottom triangle is "Teaching". The top triangle is "Administration". The right triangle is "Giving talks about the research that you once did." :D
     
  19. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

  20. fnhayes

    fnhayes New Member

    In my post about who attempts to 'educate' students at NZ universities I forgot to mention the vitally important Assistant Lecturers - 'apprentices' who do the real work.
    Dr Anatidae:)
     

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