Fingers crossed

Discussion in 'Political Discussions' started by nosborne48, Dec 1, 2023.

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  1. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Hamas and Israel are renewing their cease fire day by day.
     
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  2. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Nope. They're at it again.
     
  3. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I really don't understand what Israel's longer term goal is. The Hamas people can just melt back into the population and essentially disappear. So to really get Hamas out of power, I think Israel will have to try to rule the Gaza Strip. That is going to just make the Palestinians hate Israel even more? Is there something that I'm missing?
     
  4. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    True and more even than that. At some point Israel is going to have to deal with the Palestinian population. The world will not permit systematic mass extinction. So what is the exit plan?

    I loathe Bibi for the self dealing fraud he is but unless he leaves office (and faces all those nasty criminal charges) he's going to have to defy the Religious Right Settler movement and do something constructive. Simply killing and punishing Palestinians isn't a long term solution.
     
  5. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Since when?
     
  6. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Wishful thinking I guess.
     
  7. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I refer you to a list of genocides post-1945, up to 1999. There are plenty since then - ethnic cleansing in the former Yugoslavia, Rwanda,
    Rohingya Muslims in Myanmar/Burma. Those come to mind immediately. I'm sure there are others. Nobody asks for permission. It's not necessary.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocides_in_history_(1946_to_1999)

    I said "I'm sure there are others." Well, here they are. MANY. Here's a list of ethnic cleansing campaigns. I should have said "there's a HELL of a lot more!" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocides_in_history_(1946_to_1999)

    Unfortunately, Nosborne, pop goes your theory. I wish it were true. It never will be. Not even close.
     
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  8. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

  9. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    @nosborne48 About 40 years ago, I wrote a fiction piece about violence against a Turkish Gastarbeiter (Guest-worker) in Germany.
    I narrated it as a lawyer - a public defender for a (fictional) young man who improvised a firebomb and threw it into a house. In the story, a Turkish worker who lived there, had died in the ensuing blaze. I still have it somewhere, but it's packed for moving.

    It ended with words something like this.
    "Now I knew Hans-Dieter Fuhrmann was lost. So were Frau Fuhrmann, his mother, Osman Hayati, and so was I. We were all lost."
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    Well, dammit -- now we all are. And it's not fiction. WTF do we do?
     
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