Fetal personhood

The unborn” are a convenient group of people to advocate for. They never make demands of you; they are morally uncomplicated, unlike the incarcerated, addicted, or the chronically poor; they don’t resent your condescension or complain that you are not politically correct; unlike widows, they don’t ask you to question patriarchy; unlike orphans, they don’t need money, education, or childcare; unlike aliens, they don’t bring all that racial, cultural, and religious baggage that you dislike; they allow you to feel good about yourself without any work at creating or maintaining relationships; and when they are born, you can forget about them, because they cease to be unborn. You can love the unborn and advocate for them without substantially challenging your own wealth, power, or privilege, without re-imagining social structures, apologizing, or making reparations to anyone. They are, in short, the perfect people to love if you want to claim you love Jesus, but actually dislike people who breathe. Prisoners? Immigrants? The sick? The poor? Widows? Orphans? All the groups that are specifically mentioned in the Bible? They all get thrown under the bus for the unborn.”

― Methodist Pastor David Barnhart

 

Ginni’s got a plan y’all… those worrying about semantics, case law, etc… you’re just spinning hamster wheels!

Sotomayor pulled the *boss
* move with her photo inclusion… and effectively calling the majority out as unethical hypocrites. Facts, case law, semantics, legalese, ethics… do not matter. We have a group, appointed for life, trying to reestablish our country in their view. It’s going to be a wild ride…

*Government Overlords May change the boss term in the future… as they’re clearly going after more modern constitutional rights….

https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/amp/rcna35644

 

And yet...and yet...Alito's opinion makes clear legal sense and is well grounded in law and the principles of American jurisprudence. Roe wasn't. Roe was a pretty clear example of judicial legislation. The real complaint is that one side liked the results of Roe and the other side didn't. (My legal opinion only, of course.)

Alito's opinion will force Americans to decide for ourselves what kind of society we want to live in. Roe took that decision away from us.

 

An invitation:

Since I am still trying to work out exactly what the results will be, I would be pleased to listen to any comments showing where Alito erred legally.

 

This is one man, theorizing and cajoling a bit -- 'c'mon, folks' and a little paternalistic chuckle, deciding for women who has the "higher" right, the fetus or the woman in whose body it resides. Followed by a little good ol' American jingoism - that was original, only when it first appeared in the Declaration of Independence. NO WE DO NOT NEED TO HEAR IT AGAIN!

I'm not a philosophical person by nature, so here's the practical side, as I see it.

If we do not keep legal abortions available, through qualified doctors, women will still seek them. They will get them through quacks and criminals - and many of them will be destroyed. Dead or maimed. They will be in the Middle Ages. Filthy hands, untrained and unfeeling minds, dirt, infection, coat hangers, doubled-up clotheslines - God knows what else. Women will die in agony. Some will be dumped off at Emergency entrances, bleeding to death. Others will die of infection - or again, show up at Emergency at death's door. Many survivors will be sick for the rest of their lives.

This is not an alternative I want. I don't think women want it. Does anyone?

 

This is up to the voters, woman and man in their states to decide. In EU that was quoted many times states decide as well.

I don't think woman will die in agony unless states act, I think states like CA, CO etc will see travel to the states increase. There will be lives touched as abortion clinics will have to relocate from some states unless in those states via democratic process change their laws.

This is the way this system is actually supposed to work, and according to many woman and man it took a long time to get rid of one of bad Supreme Court decision, but finally that has happened, and so the states and corporate will have to act.

 

“You can be black and be conservative.” But you will be attacked because what party will collapse if 25% of black voters ever voted Republican — or voted libertarian or voted Green Party?

"Clarence Thomas - He’s getting attacked, there were five justices in the majority. He’s getting attacked on a different level, and he has been for much of his career.
He wasn’t the son of university professors who raised him in Palo Alto or Cambridge, Massachusetts.
He’s a guy who did it all on his own, built it all, his pen, is the mightiest, along with Alito, of any of the justices."

"It’s seems so dishonest the way attackers discount… Clarence Thomas’ personal story?
For anybody who doesn’t know, if you want to talk about someone who overcame hurdles, real hurdles and poverty and disadvantages early on in life to become a giant of the Supreme Court and of American jurisprudence, Clarence Thomas, as far as I understand, he grew up in a house with dirt floors. He grew up speaking kind of a local dialect in a community near Savannah, but it was known to be founded by former, freed slaves after the Civil War and came from tremendous poverty."

 

Sorry, you don't know how pregnancy works.

 

Believe it or not, there are political and legal consequences that are more important to the country as a whole than abortion. Judges cannot just do whatever they want because something “seems right”. Forget that principle and you damage representative democracy in really serious ways. If you believe in the sovereignty of the people you must accept the idea that the people establish the basic government structure and elect representatives to run it. You may not like the results but the process is all we have against authoritarianism. But the courts must not themselves become authoritarian.