Discussion in 'General Distance Learning Discussions' started by Zehavi, Jan 9, 2004.

  1. Zehavi

    Zehavi New Member

    In response to a very old message regarding an engineering society in South Africa known as the Design, Technology and Management Society International or DTMSI, I checked them out when I was interested in the British engineering qualification (South Africa is an ICE and IIE Member country).

    It seems that DTMSI is associated with questionable schools such as St. Clements University, however I called the South African Institute of Civil Engineers (SAICE) as well as the Association of South African Quantity Surveyors (ASAQS) who are familiar at least with Dr. Johan Potgieter and they told me that DTMSI is recognized by the South African government and is fighting an uphill battle to gain acceptance in the engineering professions as a global engineering society. I think they will be accepted in the majority of the world however they probably will run into a brick wall here in the US because of the American resistance to global accreditation and such.

    DTMSI is recognized throughout Africa as a reputable engineering society and DTMSI is an accreditation body in South Africa (they work with Wits or the University of the Witwatersrand).

    DTMSI is recognized by the Engineering Council of South Africa and is known as being a reputable body in the UK. The thesis required by DTMSI for professional membership or for an Advanced Diploma (their Advanced Diplomas are recognized by the South African government) meets the same requirements as that of the Institution for Civil Engineers, UK and the Chartered Institute of Builders.

    I spoke to a PE in California who is a member of DTMSI and he worked as a legal consultant for an engineering firm that specialized in Forensic Engineering. He became involved in DTMSI while working in Kenya. He told me that he was a member of the NSPE and the ASME. He told me that ANY engineering program that is offered by a Correspondence school is usually not able to be accredited by ABET because ABET is interested only in traditional education (classroom setting and access to laboratories). There is alot of prejudice regarding non-traditional education in the US which is not found in the UK and other countries. He told me (this was, he emphasized his personal opinion) that DTMSI probably developed the engineering curriculum for St. Clements because DTMSI is a regionally recognized accreditation body and because any school that has a non-traditional approach to learning already has an uphill battle. He told that DTMSI however, should not have any affilliation to organizations like St. Clements University.

    It is interesting that this PE also told me that he had a colleague who recieved a Kennedy-Western University degree and the KWU shingle was held in reproach by many in the engineering profession. Are anyone here familiar with Kennedy-Western?

  2. ianmoseley

    ianmoseley New Member

    Many years later ...
    We have noted an indirect link between Jeff Wooller and the DTMSI.
    DTMSI General claims recognition in the USA from California University FCE.
    Anyone know the bona fides of the Californian body?
  3. msganti

    msganti Active Member

    California University FCE seems to be just an educational evaluation agency. They have no authority to "accredit" or "grant recognition" to any degrees or colleges. Their sole purpose is to evaluate a foreign degree as compared to an US degree and determine equivalency.
    But almost every college in the US seems to have their own "favorite" evaluator (WEC, ECE etc) - so it's better to check with your to-be school to see if they accept this agency's recommendation.
  4. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Those good organizations Msganti mentioned - WES and ECE, are NACES-members. NACES members and AACRAO are the recognized credential evaluators. CUFCE is not. CUFCE will recognize a lot of things -- but their recognition counts for nothing in US academic circles - well, CHEA or USDoE recognized circles, anyway.

    Here's the NACES membership list: NACES® Members
    Here's AACRAO: AACRAO: American Association of Collegiate Registrars and Admissions Officers Homepage

    That's pretty much ALL the recognized foreign credential evaluators.

    CUFCE is run by a non-profit corporation, The Amorsolo Foundation, Inc. I believe that umbrella organization also operates, or has operated a child-care service and other varied enterprises. All you have to do is Google "CUFCE" and specify images. You will see all sorts of places and individuals that CUFCE has "recognized," including known degree mills and degrees issued by them.

    Stay away from CUFCE - if you value your credentials, money and time.

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  5. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    As you say, they have no authority to "accredit" or "grant recognition." Neither do they have recognized authority to evaluate foreign degrees. But they persist in doing all three! :sad:

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  6. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Sorry - No bona fides in that one, Ian. If you're looking for bona fides, you'll have to search, umm... alibi (elsewhere). :smile:

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  7. Mark Henry

    Mark Henry New Member

    Hello, Every One
  8. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    Given your username, I guess we could call this...


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  9. Vonnegut

    Vonnegut Active Member

    Wouldn't comment, but apparently there is a thread resurrection. While ABET was resistant to distance education when that was posted in 2004, for the past ten years they have opened the doors to distance education.
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