Dropped out of Breyer State. Thanks for your help.

back2cali, I don't know if I share Dr. Douglas's opinion of CPU... as should be clear from my earlier words in this thread:

• CPU is not a step up... er... well... maybe it is, but not by much. Heck... SCUPS would probably have been better... and that's really saying something.

That said, whenever such as Dr. Douglas or Dr. Bear happen to opine on such things, I'd take it very seriously, were I you.

Were I in your shoes, I'd stay away from an unaccredited program... but that's just me.

 

California Pacific is a step up from Breyer; perhaps what really needs to be considered is utility (perhaps a baby step). If Back2Cali ever really wants to tout his degree it better be accredited wither by one of the 6 Regionals in the US, Royal Charter in the UK or appropriate agency in other respected country (In other words equivalent to royal charter and Regional Accreditation). If he is merely looking to obtain the experience and knowledge and never list the degree CPU may not be a bad idea. If he is looking to use it in consulting, research and/or teaching He is best to look far way from California Pacific University.

 

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I hope your wife's OK. I think your plan is a good one. You all deserve some smooth sailing.
Jack

 

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Thanks, Jack!

 

Thank you gentleman for your wonderful information and suggestions. It is much appreciated.

I did notice that SCUps has eliminated their doctoral program recently and is steering inquiries to NCU. This eliminates them as a possible State approved and unaccredited program which still seems to be a " last resort" and worst choice that was not much better than what I was in with the Breyer State deal.

I will definitely look into Charles Sturt and UNISA and or South African degree programs mentioned as this could be a option for me that will give me the personal satisfaction I am seeking in a degree program and also one I could be proud to mention upon completion.

Are their any others that one could think of I may be not investigating?

One thing I have found rather offensive is the various search engines that reflect ads for schools like Rushmore, which I found are unaccredited, a Glendale University ( obvious diploma mill), and a Kennedy Western out of Wyoming, which I have already found has serious controversy and skeptical use of its diploma mill like characteristics. I sure wish that these types of programs were not able to advertise when searching for keywords like " DBA degree program, or online degree etc.

Again, thank you for your continued feedback on this post. It is a pleasure to have such educated and well diversed participants of this site that can give knowledgable feedback on this type and area of information.

Good job!!! and thank you

 

Beware and be careful of Charles Sturt!!!!

 

Would you mind explaining WHY?

 

If someone is going to do an unaccredited degree, then California Pacific is certainly one of the better ones.

But I am troubled that they are on the Oregon list of unacceptable (and, I think it is safe to say, illegal) schools in that state. Oregon has a clear and, I think, reasonable procedure for applying to be taken off that list, which more than a dozen schools have successfully done. Whether California Pacific has tried and failed to get off that list, or has not tried, I think it could be quite troublesome to have a degree that ostensibly makes one a criminal in 8 or 9 states (with others considering similar legislation).

For many years, I've been saying and writing that if someone is very confident that a given degree will meet their current and predictable future needs, then go for it. But I get a lot of tear-stained letters from readers who thought that something was OK, and then something happened: they changed jobs, or a new policy at work, or bad publicity for their alma mater, etc., and they wish they hadn't.

 

My reasons are perfectly valid and CSU should be taken with great caution as their support services offshore may be highly suspect.

 

Possibly because it competes with his diploma mill degrees!

 

To whom does your "his" refer?

 

Interesting to note that Breyer State is not describred as a Diploma mill under ODA's new rating system. Now called
"S = An unaccredited U.S. entity that has the legal authority to issue degrees from a U.S. state or territorial government that has a legal structure in place to authorize the establishment of colleges whose degrees are valid for use in the licensing jurisdiction, but which has not demonstrated that its degrees meet Oregon standards."
OTHER SCHOOLS GETTING THIS DESIGNATION INCLUDE:

Akamai University
Barrington University
California Pacific University
Canyon College
Century University
Chadwick University
Clayton College of Natural Health
Heed University
Kennedy-Western University
Pacific Coast University
TO NAME SOME
This is certainly a different status than their designation as Diploma Mill=D. Schools with S are just as illegal in Oregon as are the "D"s.
It certainly adds to the confusion regarding enrolling in a diploma mill vs. an unaccredited but legitimate school. As John Bear asks does it meet your needs?

 

Hi. I earned a DBA from California Pacific University and it has been helpful in consulting and corporate training. I started it in 1996 when there were very few, if any, doctoral programs with e-business dissertation options with self-paced coursework to fit my schedule in start-up companies. However, for teaching it doesn't carry any weight beyond my MBA from Santa Clara University. I've been working on the Touro Ph.D BA since 2002 and am completing the dissertation work; the Touro Ph.D is for teaching and redirecting my research interests into consumer behavior.

That said, California Pacific was an excellent program; if memory serves, most of the courses were as much work as those at Touro. The CPU doctoral project was well-supervised on process but the direction of the content could only be commented on to a point, which makes it a different animal from a Ph.D. dissertation.

In sum, the California Pacific DBA is so much work that if you think you might want to earn a doctorate for teaching and you can afford the tuition, I would advise anyone to look at all the online and low-residency programs that are available now before making a decision. Still, I'm going to break rank on foreign doctorates and say that if you are going to all this work on the doctorate for outward legitimacy in teaching/research, then borrow the money and don't do a doctorate outside North America, but that's my opinion.

As for the issue of the ODA, I have talked with folks at CPU about this and I'm not going to reveal the contents of the conversation, except to say that if someone put up a website in another state, disparaged my reputation and then demanded time/money to clear my good name, I would probably ignore them to a certain point, too.

As for DETC, I would think that the level of rigor in the California Pacific MBA and the MA programs would make them shoe-in candidates for accreditation at that level. However, I didn't complete those degrees so that is just an educated guess.

Best wishes,

Dave

 

Sonata, who is a degree mill operator!

 

Thank you Dave for your input on CPU. DO you think they will ever seek accreditation? I know that the cost of their program is what I am looking for, but as you stated, if one is to complete a very laerge amount of work and have little utility, then it is probably best that one seeks a higher cost program and anti up the dough so to speak.
I am proud of my decision to leave the Breyer State program and to prevent the further work and more dissapointment, not that I am still not totally dissapointed in my already performed and aparently useless in terms of credit coursework.
I still learned alot with the 3 courses I took with Breyer and hope that this will give me a edge in another program to whip through what I feel I have already grasped so to speak.

Good luck on your Phd and thanks for writing

 

I'm just a satisfied former student and have no knowledge about future plans, so you should call CPU and ask that very question. Best of luck to you in your decision.

Best wishes,

Dave

 

Personally, I think the CPU doctorate is legitimate. I'm not satisfied with the level of supervision for the dissertation process, and I haven't read CPU dissertatinos, so I can't judge the quality. But they've been California-Approved since the days when that actually had meaning.

Accreditation? No way. It would require a tremendous change in their academic model. Could they? I guess. But they've never shown any interest in doing so.

I agree with Dave on two points. First, I suspect they could get DETC accreditation if they dropped the doctoral programs. And perhaps they will if DETC ever gets approval to accredit schools offering them. Second, I agree that, given the level of effort necessary to earn a CPU degree--and the myriad of accredited alternatives now available--it doesn't seem advisable to pursue it. Go for an accredited degree instead.

Why don't the idiots at Jameville understand this simple concept?

 

I see. Hmm. Interesting. So... sonata88... is that true? What, if any, educational or credential-conveying entities -- be they legit or millish... or somewhere in between -- do you operate? Since it's a fairly serious one, please step-up and either confirm or deny davidhume's allegation.

And davidhume... perhaps you could share with us what you know about all this. Which degree mill(s)?

 

Going the UNISA route is a good choice; my first degree was through them and is acceptable world wide. University of Pretoria enjoys the same recognition status as UNISA.

Shout if I can assist in obtaining any information for you from either university; I live about 15 miles from both of them and will be glad to help.

Cheers.

Len.