Don't Go To Business School ! ! !

Discussion in 'Business and MBA degrees' started by Kizmet, Jan 10, 2013.

  1. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I look at this in the following way:

    Professional = Education + Training + Experience.

    Improving each one is desirble. Yes were one gets education seems to mater for some jobs.

    Now looking at MBA, all my coleagues who earned it be it recently or in the past benefitted from it. Some remained without change in their job or pay for some time, eventually moving more in to management and/or leadership position.

    To some of you who don't think match of UoP, based on what I see all of people whom I worked with and earned their MBA from UoP are in Director level or above positions today.

    Some are MBA and PMP working as PM's in roles of Program managers etc.

    I see more room today for Apprenticeatships / intrentships with parallel Education and training.

    Check job adds and see what are Employers are looking for.
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  2. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

    Of course it's easy to say that they might have made that promotion even without the MBA, based on their experience.
  3. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Job Description

    Sr. Marketing Partnerships Strategy Manager
    Job Number: 12504
    Primary Location: United States- NY


    Sr. Marketing Partnerships Strategy Manager

    The Yahoo! Marketing Partnerships Team is looking for a Sr. Manager to develop and implement strategies and innovative marketing programs to help drive adoption and engagement of Yahoo! products through the partner channel. Our ideal candidate will have experience with complex partner ecosystems and a unique mix of creative and analytical marketing abilities. In addition Sr. Manager will:

    Manage Partners:

    -Work with partners to drive adoption of Yahoo! products through developing joint marketing campaigns

    -Foster and build relationships with key marketing constituents within partners’ marketing organizations.

    -Work with partners to integrate Yahoo! products and services throughout our Partner’s extensive marketing activities

    -Develop a deep understanding of partners’ business and marketing goals, while positioning Yahoo! as an integral component to their success

    -Build out case studies and presentations to illustrate and sell scalable, successful programs to global partners

    Program Development:

    -Plan, develop and execute marketing programs which deliver measurable results

    -Work within marketing function and cross functionally with teams to implement

    Strategic Planning & Coordination

    -Work across organization with product, partner management, business development, brand and research to achieve partner marketing goals and those of the overall mobile business.

    Minimum Requirements:

    -8+ years in Marketing, specific experience working with large partners cross multiple channels

    -Experience in consumer marketing

    -Team player with excellent communications and presentation skills

    -Experience working with channel management, partners and/or sales

    Preferred Requirements:


    -Experience in Online & mobile marketing concepts, processes & analytics

    -Past sales experience a plus

  4. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

    "Preferred," not required.
  5. ITJD

    ITJD Active Member

    There are two ways to look at preferred:

    1. We don't need it because experience trumps education.
    2. We're looking for it but don't expect to find it because the right combination of education and experience is tough to find.

    For the first one, the education is moot.
    For the second, the education is the tipping point between like candidates.

    What side of the see saw would you want to be on :)
  6. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

    For me the answer is another question: What is the cost of the MBA? I might pay a modest amount in order to gain a small advantage but I'm not going to mortgage my life.
  7. ITJD

    ITJD Active Member

    Sure. I can see that.

    From my own perspective, I graduated in 2011, spent 20k on it and made it back already by moving jobs twice. It depends on individual circumstances.
  8. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    What if two identical candidates came and the only difference was that one had MBA wile the other didn't?

    Doesn't Preferred i.e the one with MBA has a better chance to get hired?
  9. ITJD

    ITJD Active Member

    Yes. Hence my see saw statement. The only flaw in that argument is that people are variable and the identical argument carries a low statistical likelihood.
  10. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

    First I guess I'd say that there's no such thing as "identical candidates." They might have the same degree from the same school, the same GPA, the same years of experience, etc. but that still doesn't make them identical. But, in this hypothetical situation, if the MBA is not required for the job, I'd probably be just as likely to make the hiring decision based on their personalities. An MBA is a knowledge/skill set which can be gained, with or without the degree, at any time. A difficult personality can be poison to a team and should be avoided at all costs.
  11. ITJD

    ITJD Active Member

    The above is a great point. Cultural fit is very important.

    I'll also add this: Like hires like. Most often this is reflected in personality and is subconscious based on "gut feelings". So what you have to hope for in some situations if you have a MBA is that your hiring manager also has one or respects the process enough to put value in the same things you do.

    If I were to make the hiring decision, (IT field) it's always the person with the best education that is most personable with the education first. Every time I've skewed in favor of personality, I've been disappointed by their etiquette and polish at some point with the hire. This said, that's a really personal feeling based on unique experiences.
  12. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I understand your points but disagree with logic that MBA is not required.
    Why then state in the advertisement for position MBA is a plus.
    There are job openings were preferred means advantage otherwise why mention MBA at all?

    More then that when I post a position via recruiter and state preferred such and such I actually mean has much better chance, its close to required.

    The reason I do that is that I still want the option to look at other candidates.

    In slow economy we had 600 resumes for one position, many had education, skills and experience, good attitude.
    The first group to get interviews was the group with most matching resumes to the requirement. In this case number of certifications, number of years of experience and a preference was to holders of earned Masters degree in the field.
  13. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

    Lerner - I don't need you to agree with me. I'm just expressing an opinion. Happy Saturday.:fest06:
  14. ciub

    ciub New Member

    I believe it depends on the school and the network they have.

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