Donald Trump was swarmed by Secret Service agents and rushed off stage.

Truly we don't know. He was a Registered Republican but he was only 20 and according to the Times Newspaper of Israel (Israel Times), he donated to left wing Political Action Committees aimed at getting Democrats elected.

Plus you are right. I know people who belong to one party but register in the other party because that's who gets elected in there area. So, they want some say in who is chosen but then vote for their actual party in the general election.

 

What one is registered as means nothing. I work with a very open “liberal” who is a registered Republican because that allows him to vote in local elections.

 

Disclaimer: Many police departments do not use the Wonderlic or any other test that attempts to measure IQ. Many police departments just test basic math and reading skills and require a minimum score of 70% to 80%.

The national median police officer score on the Wonderlic is 104. That means that half of police officers scored below that. I tried to look for a standard deviation to see how low the typical scores go, but that will require more digging. All I could find with a quick search was a 2003 study of 71 police officers. The lowest verbal IQ score was 87. The lowest full scale IQ was 84. The lowest performance IQ was 76. To be fair, there were also testers who scored high, but it's concerning that people with such low cognitive abilities manage to get hired.

http://applyhrm.asp.radford.edu/2003/MS%208_1_%20Brewster.pdf

 

The Butler Bureau of Police only requires a high school diploma or GED. The Pennsylvania State Police only requires a high school diploma or GED. At least Pennsylvania requires 919 hours of initial training. My state only requires 643 hours, and a large university system has a 4-month academy.

 

Appears like credntualized teacher salary.
I'm all for a better pay for SS, Police, Teachers, Fire Fighters etc.
Even if this more than just a job, it's a calling.

 

But smearing an entire profession without evidence is perfectly okay.

Gotcha.

 

As with many other professions, all rightfully fired and criminally charged when appropriate.

 

There are over 700,000 police officers in the United States, and you’re going to use a study with 71 participants to draw your conclusions?

 

Law officer is a very honorable profession. There is always going to be a few bad apples in a group so large but for the most part they are very good folks that deserve our respect. There is much more bad publicity when law officers are caught breaking the law or their oath of service but that is just a normal outcome of their special position and burden of responsibility. We shouldn't lose sight of the fact though that the vast majority are good people that if you treat with respect they will treat you back in kind.

 

I said, "all I could find." I didn't say it was an ideal study with an acceptable sample size. However, it is evidence that people with low cognitive abilities have been hired. Another study found an average IQ of 103. A study from the 70s calculated an average IQ of 98, but since it's old, I didn't reference it. Looking at multiple studies over time, I think it's safe to assume that the average IQ of a police officer is somewhere near 100.

 

This isn't really about knowing right from wrong or being moral or immoral. My argument is that such a complex job that comes with so much power and responsibility should have higher educational and cognitive ability standards. We have counterparts in Europe with higher training standards.

 

No evidence? I'm the one who provided more than just anecdotes. Do you have evidence that all these studies are wrong? I can also provide more data on LSAT scores by major. Among the minority of police officers who do have a bachelor's degree or higher, what would you say are the most common degrees? Criminal justice, criminology, sociology, psychology, etc. These happen to have the lowest LSAT scores. That's not to say that all these graduates are unintelligent. It's just that, in comparison to other majors, they don't perform as well on this test.

https://prelaw.olemiss.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/44/2020/09/lsat.majors.sheet_.pdf

"Today, slightly more than half (51.8%) of
sworn officers have at least a two-year degree, 30.2% have at least a four-year degree, and 5.4% have a graduate degree (see Figure 19). This varies considerably by region, agency size, CEO education level, union presence, and department type (see Appendices A-E). For example, 31.6% of officers employed by municipal agencies hold a bachelor’s degree or higher compared to 21.1% of officers employed by county agencies, F(2,407)=3.755, p=<.05. Interestingly, while agencies of different sizes have approximately the same percentage of officers with at least an
AA degree (47.9%-57.5%), small agencies serving populations less than 100,000 have a higher proportion of officers with two-year degrees, F(8,402)=2.941, p=<.01, and larger agencies serving populations over 100,000 have a higher proportion of officers with four-year degrees."

https://www.policinginstitute.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/PF-Report-Policing-Around-the-Nation_10-2017_Final.pdf

 

Having a college degree no longer means that someone has above average intelligence because anyone can get into college now, and some colleges are easy enough that people with below average intelligence can graduate. There's an interesting study on the outcomes of people who graduated from college and have IQs below 90.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S016028962200023X

The study I'm linking to below (it was peer-reviewed, but I'm providing the free version) addresses the myth that college graduates today, on average, have high IQs. They mention 1940s and 1950s data as sources of the myth. I also found a longitudinal study of a cohort of 1960s high school graduates that has contributed to this myth.

"Background. According to a widespread belief, the average IQ of university students is 115 to 130 IQ points, that is, substantially higher than the average IQ of the general population ( M = 100, SD =15). We traced the origin of this belief to obsolete intelligence data collected in 1940s and 1950s when university education was the privilege of a few. Examination of more recent IQ data indicate that IQ of university students and university graduates dropped to the average of the general population. The decline in students’ IQ is a necessary consequence of increasing educational attainment over the last 80 years. Today, graduating from university is more common than completing high school in the 1940s. Method. We conducted a meta-analysis of the mean IQ scores of college and university students samples tested with Wechsler Adult Intelligence Scale between 1939 and 2022. Results. The results show that the average IQ of undergraduate students today is a mere 102 IQ points and declined by approximately 0.2 IQ points per year."

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/378377530_Meta-analysis_On_average_undergraduate_students'_intelligence_is_merely_average

 

Thank you for clarifying. I would agree in general with your sentiment. There are some additional challenges in this country though attracting folks to law enforcement careers. I don't know what the comparative pay is between law enforcement here and in Europe. I do know that it is not a top wage earner in this country. I also suspect that it is a much more dangerous job in this country because of the large amount of guns floating around in this country.

 

I appreciate your acknowledging my account of my experience. I’ll remind you that police agencies in liberal California are a subset of police agencies in general.

 

I did no such thing. And, no matter your assessment of it, I didn't do it with bad manners. Shame on you. You should know better.

 

<<<———- Wife of Police Captain