Do you want a socialist government? Would you have more or less freedom?

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  1. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

  2. Phdtobe

    Phdtobe Well-Known Member

    Canada does have a value-added tax of 5% which the US fed does not have. There are issues with Canada health but I won’t change it for anything., prescription drugs will soon be added to it. Canada provides health care cheaper per capita than the US gov. and spends less than the total the US gov. Canada healthcare sucks if you need an appointment to see a specialist in a hurry.

    Canada does not pay if fair share to NATO and spend less than the 2% of the GDP which is unfair to the USA. When comes to security Canada takes advantage. I do not know why it is socialism to provide health care to all but it is not socialism to provide defence/security to all. Canada is also implicit in the genocide/culturecide, dispossession, and the marginalization of native peoples.
     
  3. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    True. I realize this doesn't make it right or shift the blame -- but where else has this (not) happened?

    I think Canada is a great place to live. Not a bad place to die, either. I'm glad I won't be here when the borrowing merry-go-round stops and the final bill is presented. Probably, Justin will still be here -perhaps retired or de-elected, though. The card won't work in the machine forever!

    I'm also amazed at how some well-intentioned Government schemes "go forth and multiply." When I was a kid, my mother (and everyone else's) got $6 a month per child from the Feds - Family Allowance, help with raising kids. After I got married, I think my wife got $12 a month per child, later raised to $20 under Justin's father, Pierre. In more recent years My younger son and his wife got a raise to around $200 /mo. until their kids "aged out" at 18. Now, along comes Justin, who fulfils his election promise, making the allowance $500 a month for each child - in families with incomes less than $200,000! (I think the max is around $2,200 per mo. no matter how many kids.) I know 40-year-olds (and much younger, as well) who are suddenly having multiple children just to get that $500 for each! (In some cases, exactly the kind of people who shouldn't have any children!)

    Canada appears to me to be a dual paradise. Work hard and the rewards can be splendid. It takes time, though. Being lazy and shiftless can also be rewarding - I know a couple who have successfully avoided work - (both have been on various doles for over 20 years) and have a $600,000 house fully paid for. Here, if you're truly lazy - you can have your financial rewards right now. No waiting!
     
    Last edited: May 29, 2018
  4. Orly Dunstan

    Orly Dunstan New Member

    Random Indian band, Cote First Nation. 748 residents in 2016. Reserve revenue $15,149,917, mostly government grants. That's $ 20,341 each or $81,364 per family of 4. The average family income in Canada was about $76,000. What in hell are you talking about?

    http://fnp-ppn.aandc-aadnc.gc.ca/fnp/Main/Search/DisplayBinaryData.aspx?BAND_NUMBER_FF=366&FY=2015-2016&DOC=Audited%20consolidated%20financial%20statements&lang=eng
     

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