Do Americans like Obamacare?

Discussion in 'Political Discussions' started by Maniac Craniac, Jun 27, 2012.

  1. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    Hi B.A., I am not aware of what you are talking, so I cannot comment on your being called a scammer. If someone is a scammer, they understandably must be dealt with by the mods, as this is one of top DL forum (if not the top) forums around. If you are not a scammer, please do not take it personally.

    When I first became a member here many moons ago, some of my views were met with extreme dislike. Especially by the Priest who was known as "Uncle Janko" (RIP). We battled and battled and battled for months, if not a year or two. However, as time went on we became friends, as I started to understand him, he in turn began to understand me. It turns out that we had mutuals interests. I had knowledge of Christianity (Ex-Altar boy), and he had a love of Confucious. As a martial artist, I abide confucious priniples (Among others), as many of the principles are basically the same. And so I have fond memories of Dr. Janko.

    What am I trying to say by all this? As a newer member, the mods and other DI members are merely concerned about shill mills, or individuals trying to use this poplular forum for dubious purposes.

    Take care,

  2. thomaskolter

    thomaskolter New Member

    Like it or not like it there is a simple issue repealing the entire law is going to be a unlikely case.

    Let me explain even if the Democrats lose seats in the Senate to a small degree and Romeney gets it there is only two legislative outcomes that can occur.

    One, the Republicans go for a full repeal and smack headon into a Democratic filibuster in the Senate.

    Two, the Republicans reconcile and eliminate all they can from the law the budget and tax spending parts and leave the rest which can be filibustered. That would include the mandate on insurers to take everyone that wants to get coverage which is the King Kong in the bill the rest doesn't matter.

    Romeney could grant waivers but many states are likely to take the money and expand health care and if there is no likely repeal of the whole law they will have to. An example a local hospital plans as an option to pay the premiums for poor patiants who get an insurance plan for the course of their treatment then drop the support when they are done if they meet certain financial formulaes. So if the state doesn't expand Medicaid and Homeless Bob comes in needing cancer care they will cover a high end policy for maybe two months, let the insurer pay the costs say 80% and take that and run. Its alot more than Medicaid would pay in many cases and it would be legal and Homeless Bob would get the care. That alone could force the state to take the ACA measures or lose insurers as they stop doing business. Its quietly winding its way as one option in the hospital system as a plan to do.

    So how are they going to repeal this even if they get into power unless they manage to take eleven or more Senate seats in November? And further if Obama is re-elected or the Democrats hold or gain in the Senate there will be no repeal either.
  3. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

  4. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    A requirement for supermajorities means that there's something less far from consensus when it comes to decision making. They're not a bad thing.
  5. AUTiger00

    AUTiger00 New Member

  6. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

  7. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator

    This might be the funniest thing I have read all month - Also, just to further prove I won this argument, I won't be reading any reply you post which means the conversation is over, which means I win.....and you're still stupid.

    But let's play nice.
  8. ITJD

    ITJD Active Member

  9. AUTiger00

    AUTiger00 New Member

    I'd also like to point out that the $120/month I pay now is half the price the MA plan would have cost me when I was making 2/3 the amount of money. It's just not a good plan and I feel for recent college grads trying to make it in Boston, working two jobs to earn around $30-35k then the state coming and telling them if they make over $28k they can either pay $120 month or get hit with a $700 "fine" (lets be honest, it's a tax) if they don't enroll/don't have the means. Sure you can challenge it, but come on, it's the government, no red tape or bullshit to jump through their.
    And to be clear, Abner, I still never read your reply, but I'm assuming it was in reference to my fiancé based on the last paragraph in ITJD's reply....I'll let sleeping dogs lie but I hope you didn't speak ill of her, though based on your need to comment on topics you know nothing about I wouldn't put it past you.
  10. ITJD

    ITJD Active Member

    What is this 120 dollar a month plan you speak of? It costs me that much just to log in to the connector site :)
  11. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator

    Yeah! I work for a billion dollar healthcare company and I pay $240 a month.
  12. 03310151

    03310151 Active Member

    I work for the US Army (As a Civilian) and my health insurance for my family is $400 per month. Add in dental and vision and I'm at $524 per month.
  13. AUTiger00

    AUTiger00 New Member

    see below.
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  14. AUTiger00

    AUTiger00 New Member

    The state plan's monthly premium is based on your income. If you make between $28-$35k the state charges $120 a month. If you opt out, you pay 50% of what your annual health care would have cost, so in this case roughly $700. I had a temp working in my department, she earned $15/hr x 35 hours/week. Just enough to make her have to buy coverage, she couldn't due to cost of living in Boston and came in crying after doing her taxes because she owed the state $700.
  15. DLer

    DLer New Member

  16. Ian Anderson

    Ian Anderson Active Member

    But your employer probably pays several times what you pay.

    If you remember 4-years ago McCain's proposal was to add the total cost of an employees health plan to their taxable income (W2) but provide a higher offset in their income tax.
    Why McCain has the best health-care plan - Mar. 11, 2008

    I used to work for a mult-billion dollar company who supported a plan suggested by the Clinton administration (my recollection that it was a universal health care plan - one company argument was that paying for employees heath care drove up product costs compared to their European competitors).
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  17. ITJD

    ITJD Active Member

    Is this Commonwealth Care or Commonwealth Choice?
  18. AUTiger00

    AUTiger00 New Member

    Couldn't tell you. Sorry.
  19. thomaskolter

    thomaskolter New Member

    Would they if the remove it then their party can never use it likely again either, and they seemed to enjoy that benefit now. I would think such a drastic move would be unlikely.

    That said there is need to reform the ACA and make changes to it which would be of bipartisan concern. For example I think the Medicaid expansion is vital but could be limited to 100% of the poverty line and maybe require documented medical issues to get into it. You could have some enhancement to the exchange model for the very poor perhaps to cover healthy people who want coverage.

    But eliminating the whole law I find offensive and not in My best interests or that of my family.
  20. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Of course your guess is at least as good as mine. My guess is that we've seen enough "minority party rules" anti-democracy behavior versus a democratic majority rules in the Senate and the rule will be changed no matter which party has a majority in the next senate.

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