Do Americans like Obamacare?

Discussion in 'Political Discussions' started by Maniac Craniac, Jun 27, 2012.

  1. ITJD

    ITJD Active Member

    As someone paying $1300 a month for health insurance, I will look forward to seeing how the affordable care act makes things more affordable.

    I don't hold court with either party, but I have a bad feeling that the people at either side of the financial spectrum are going to make out and the guy in the middle is going to get it good. :)
  2. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Well, then I apologize. Still, I think when it comes to that particular joke the well has already been poisoned by progressives saying it utterly seriously.
  3. ryoder

    ryoder New Member

    How can I say it more succinctly. I don't want to pay for some 25 year old "kid's" healthcare costs while he drives a Lexus and spends 200 per month on his cell phone bill.
  4. Ian Anderson

    Ian Anderson Active Member

    But you do now if that kid does not have health insurance.
    You pay through your local taxes and as a portion of your health insurance premium. Under the ACA if that kid does not buy insurance then he will be hit with a fee on his income tax. I undedstand additional funding will come from a 3.8% tax on investment income over $250,000 (currently taxed at 15%).
  5. hal9

    hal9 New Member

    first off..we shouldn't be using the term Obamacare. This implies that your Dr works for the government. It's silly and it's just a political propaganda term started by the right and unfortunately is now used by the mainstream media.

    As far as the Affordable Care Act it is a good idea. It can only have positive affects on me. For one, I already pay for health insurance so it doesn't affect that. But more importantly one of the reasons my health insurance is so expensive is that the free loaders just go to the emergency room when they need health care. This raises the cost for everyone else. I know people that can afford health insurance but don't purchase it. Instead their homes have big screen plasma tv's, ipads etc etc. When they get injured or sick they just use the emergency room at no cost to them.

    No one is being forced to buy health ins. If you don't buy it you will be fined on your IRS form. I guess if i was a free loader i wouldn't like this law.

    As far as those who cannot afford it the law provides government subsidies.
  6. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

  7. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    This almost makes it sound like you seriously believe your premiums will decrease once everyone's forced to buy health insurance.
  8. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    But will you pay for mine, please? :eek:uch:

    FYI, I don't own a car (I mostly walk- an hour to my place of worship, 45 minutes to the grocery store, 10 minutes to the bank and the library) and spend $25 on my cell phone bill, which I also use as my home phone and tether to my computer to use as a modem.

    Hopefully that will sway your decision :smile:
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  9. Ian Anderson

    Ian Anderson Active Member

    My understanding (based on media reports) is that a majority of people like some of the ACA provisions but nobody likes all of them. This includes conservative congressman Darrel Issa (as he stated in a recent Sunday TV interview).
  10. hal9

    hal9 New Member

    well not everyone is forced to buy health insurance. If you don't buy it you pay the penalty.

    and no i don't think premiums will decrease(they will probably increase). Whether or not ACA goes into law premiums will increase. The reason is our health insurance is still a for-profit system and these health care companies are still traded on wall st. It's all about profits until we have single payer.

    but there are savings for local and state governments who will no longer have to foot the bill for people without insurance using the emergency room whenever they get sick. Those savings should translate to lower taxes or at least our taxes not going towards funding this inefficiency.
  11. thomaskolter

    thomaskolter New Member

    Freeloader is a strong term I work and happen right now due to economics am making under 133% of the poverty line and just can't afford insurance and I don't see how the Republicans can attack a law that is largely funding expanding Medicaid with no cost to start and only 10% of the cost later on on thier budgets [90% covered by the Federal Government]. If I don't have insurance I don't see medical care for my pre-existing conditions both diabetes (currently controlled only by diet and that is not working well enough) and heart disease (again am on a strict diet to limit risk and asperin). If I get an infection I treat it at home with "aquarium use labeled" antibiotics I buy online since I'm prone to UTI's and bladder infections. At some point I will be in the hospital and then the bills rack up largely due to lack of low cost primary care.

    People like either need public medical centers, Medicaid or subsidized insurance that is cheap to get coverage.

    And I have to point out controlling costs and adding providers is not just up to the Federal government states must do their part to to make this work. One idea I had in my state is if a medical doctor is trained at a GAAP recognized university, has a medical degree, five years of practice and is proficient enough in English just fast track a license as a general practitioner with a limit on doing surgery (over basic wound care and setting broken legs) with minimal red tape. I would think any Cuban doctor working overseas for five years could do common care same for many other nations. And you could require they take 10% of the patiant load from Medicaid to hold the license. Its one idea of several the state could just do.

    But the law has some issues those can be worked out later and I wasn't going to vote at all if the law was tossed out altogether so now I'm voting for the Democrats all the way just to protect this law. If Obama wins or the Democrats gain a seat or two in the Senate ideally over the current number of seats the fight is over (hopefully both).
  12. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Many people probably wouldn't care, but actively recruiting doctors from poor countries would be a serious setback for the Americans' relationship with those countries -- people in poor countries need doctors too and low income countries already have serious problems from brain drain.
  13. thomaskolter

    thomaskolter New Member

    This would be done by states and many nations have people that want to leave I have no issue if a Cuban doctor or one from Iran wants to come here to practice under fair guidelines to be sure they are qualified for GP status.

    Other ideas I had was bulk by durable medical items if someone needs a wheelchair fine, they go to someplace like the VA Center as the warehousing location and gets one with a seat, solid tires and bought in bulk from the manufacturers. Specialty chairs for those with special needs could be fitted at such a location to.

    We could allow those with a bachelors in nursing to gain a specialty in primary care supervised by a nurse practitioner, primary physicians assistant or general practitioner to deliver care in a practic saving specialists for special care cases. A person with a bachelors should have the basic skills to treat most mundane issues if supervised.

    We could send expensive care cases to top tourist medical networks abroad if a case her with Medicaid would cost a hospital $50k and the same care can be done at a private hospital in India for $30k altogether then send them to India unless a minor that could save lots of money to. As long as such care can be safely put off for the time to get everything arranged. And since the doctors would stay in the home nation that would not hurt international relations. And the government could negotiate for the system the best deal.

    A few other ideas.

    But my view is unless they cover the poor what the hell good is any reform that is the group that is the highest burden on the system other than seniors at end of life which is second I would think in this.
  14. Orson

    Orson New Member

    Not winning 50% out of 100 times polled? How can one say 'YES?'

    I caught Volohk Conspiracy law-blogger, University of Denver Law School prof David Kopel, reacting to the SCOTUS decision this way:

    Out of 98 polls since ObamaCare (or AHA) was passed, it has failed to get 50% approval from Americans every time.

    So, 0 out of 98 times? (And probably another two since SCOTUS weighed in.)

    I'd say you have to have an extraordinarily twisted view of American opinion to say that "Americans like ObamaCare."

    Therefore, the correct answer is "no," they do not.
  15. AUTiger00

    AUTiger00 New Member

  16. AUTiger00

    AUTiger00 New Member

    Post like these are why we need a "like" button on here. Kudos to you, good sir.
  17. ryoder

    ryoder New Member

    My employer notified us that they have tracked healthcare costs year over year for the past 50 or so years and the year that the affordable care act care was enacted they saw the highest yoy cost increase ever. Due to that cost increase, we were no longer able to keep our plans. We were all forced to buy new plans with lower coverages and higher costs. So my rates went up, I lost my plan, and coverage decreased. My gastroenterologist was also very upset about the affordable care act and what it meant to his ability to provide good levels of service. He said that he and other specialists were being forced to go into their own prepaid healthcare program where affluent individuals get the level of care they need from a group of specialists. I think this is how it will go in the future. People with the money will pay out of pocket for better care.
  18. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    Abner's response to brother AUtiger

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  19. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    No. (John 18:36; 15:19) :banana:
  20. B.A.

    B.A. New Member

    I am a new member and already got called a scammer after ONE why not getting more negative replies by saying that I REALLY LIKE AND SUPPORT OBAMACARE! hehehe

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