DBA - University of Northumbria

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  1. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    I work at as full time faculty at AACSB accredited school. Most well known business schools in Canada are AACSB accredited. Hiring is very competitive, although AACSB accreditation is not spell out in the ads, most would expect you to have a degree from a top school that normally means AACSB accredited.

    Mcgill is not AACSB accredited and yet a PhD degree from this school would get you a position at any Canadian school but this seems to be more the exception than the rule.

    Again, accreditation is just a benchmark, if the school is not AACSB accredited then the school should be at least ranked in well known ranks such as the FT.

    By the way, I have a Doctorate from a non AACSB accredited school but my position is non tenure and only requires a Masters. My doctorate was just for personal improvement and is not giving me any extra pay raise.

    Again, if you want a doctorate just for self improvement and something you can put in your resume, then the 2 year doctorate will do. However, don't expect to compete with people that spent 5 years full time at accredited PhD programs at Canadian schools for tenure track positions.
     
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  2. Phdtobe

    Phdtobe Well-Known Member

  3. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    McGill or Queens would only hire people from top schools (e.g. Harvard, MIT, Warton), I tried multiple times with Mcgill even as a Lecturer (non tenure track) with no luck.

    By the Way, McGill pays about 150K for a starting position and Queens probably even more. Some people at UBC get hired in the 200K range. Believe that they won't be hiring anyone from a low tier school from this kind of money.

    At the beginning, I tried hundreds schools around Canada and the US. The few schools in the US that were willing to hire me were non AACSB and with salaries lower than my current salary as a Lecturer.

    The academic market is very competitive, part of my jobs is to hire part time faculty for our department, sometimes I get people with two doctorates from good schools looking to get a part time teaching position.

    As someone with more than 13 years teaching experience in Canada, I can tell you that if you are looking for a tenure track at a Canadian school, your best bet is to do a full residential program at a good Canadian or American school. Any short cut as 2 year doctorates from low tier schools or distance doctorates is not going to cut it unless you are extremely talented and publish in top journals and have executive experience in the private sector.
     
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  4. CalDog

    CalDog New Member

    AACSB is the most prestigious US-based business accreditor. But internationally, there are two other accreditors with comparable reputations: AMBA (based in the UK) and EQUIS (in continental Europe).

    McGil is not AACSB accredited, which is unusual for a top North American business school. However, McGill recently obtained EQUIS accreditation. So while they aren't AACSB, they do have comparable accreditation from EQUIS. EQUIS accredits many top business schools in France, and since McGill is in Quebec, perhaps that influenced their choice.
     
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  5. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    Bottom line is that there are thousands of business schools in the world. There are plenty schools in Europe that will be willing to grant you a doctorate in two years. The economist (magazine) is full of advertisements of fast track programs. However, it would be naive to think that a two year program will get you the same job that a 5 year program.
     
  6. lowtrader

    lowtrader New Member

    Well well ..... many people, many opinions.

    I do not intend to work in academia, USA, or Canada. At most I will consider working in the UK or Ireland, and Northumbria is well ranked in the Complete University guide. Moreover it is recognized (in Europe all universities are going through the Bologna process).

    Although it might make a difference I would like opinions on the actual degree irrespective of accreditation.

    Time should never be a measurement criteria, people may have less commitments than others and complete a degree much faster (for example in my case, I do not have kids and house commitments, and work decent hours - others might need to go home, cook, take the kids to bed etc).
     
  7. lowtrader

    lowtrader New Member

  8. lowtrader

    lowtrader New Member

    A representative from University of Northumbria responsible for doctoral enquiries confirmed that they are aiming for AACSB accreditation by end 2014 and "are on the right track".
     
  9. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    It looks like good deal, once they get accreditation the tuition will probably double.
     
  10. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member Staff Member

    it usually tends to work that way
     
  11. lowtrader

    lowtrader New Member

    Makes no sense to double the current £14,900 & £19,400 for Europeans and Non-European students respectively. Speaking from an EU's student perspective for £30,000 I'd opt for other DBA programmes such as EBS or Aston.

    EBS costs €1,000 for the Research Methods modules + £600 mentoring feee + £4,000 for every 12 month persiod needed to complete the research. I'd say round around €18,000.

    If I'm not mistaken Aston is triple accredited and costs less than £30,000.
     

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