Dba , dm , ph.d !!!

Discussion in 'Business and MBA degrees' started by fadia, Jan 4, 2012.

  1. fadia

    fadia New Member

    Hi everyone ,
    I am recent MBA / marketing graduate from Strayer University my GPA is 3.80 .I'm so passion about Business field I decided to go for Doctorate and I have been looking for doctorate program for a while but I failed to find the right school !!! what I am looking for is program program in business like DBA , DM , and Ph.d as long its partime or weekend class and have some residency ,I found quit bit programs but the problem is they are asking for atleast 10 years of managerial experiences which i don't have Iam 28 years old and i have about 4 years work experience .and they only admitted executives and CEOs to their program .

    I'm not really looking for high ranked school but something respectful , any school as long it's regionally accredited COST under 50K and( not for profit ) nothing like the following Kaplan University ,University of Phoenix ,Walden University,NorthCentral University ,argosy university .

    Here some of the program I found I want to share them with you ,but most of them asking for atlest 5 years Managerial experience , please if you know any program that has the fare admission criteria specially in NY ,PA,NJ ,DE,MD please share with us :

    University of Maryland Eastern Shore - PH.D Organizational Leadership
    Metropolitan State University -DBA
    walsh college - DBA
    anderson university -DBA
    Nova Southeastern University -DBA
    Alvernia University - Ph.d Leadership
    george washington university - ELP
    lawrence tech university - DBA
    Eastrn University - Phd.leadership
    wilmington university - DBA
    indiana university of pennsylvania - Ph.D. in Administration and Leadership Studies
    university of maryland university college - DM
    webster university - DMgt
    north carolina university - DrPH
    The University of Texas at Tyler -Ph.D. in Human Resource Development
    university southern mississippi -PhD - International Development
    Valdosta State University - DPA
    Indiana state university - Ph.D. in Technology Management
    bellevue university -- Ph.D. in Human Capital Management
    pace university - DPS
    kansas state university - phd financial planning
  2. Steve King

    Steve King Member

    Welcome to DegreeInfo, Fadia. Congratulations on recently completing you MBA at Strayer.

    What are your main goals for for your doctorate after graduation? The more we know about your career aspirations and personal goals for getting a doctorate, the better we can help advise you on the many different degree programs available. The list you provided is pretty diverse. It includes everything from a Doctor of Public Health to an ELP, and well recognized schools like UNC and George Washington University to schools I'd have to look-up on the Web to learn anything about them. Academic reputation can be very important if your main objective is to teach after graduation, which is why knowing your goals for earning a doctorate is important.

    You mentioned being concerned about these schools requiring significant professional experience. While a few programs are very strict about this requirement, others are willing to waive this requirement for strong candidates. I found some schools on your list that only require three years of experience. I'm sure there are plenty of good programs that will accept prospective students with four years of experience.
  3. fadia

    fadia New Member

    Thank you Steve ,
    You are right about the work experience Steve , thats what they are saying in the website but in the real world they are selecting the applicants who has atleast over 15 years of work experience .I have applied for couples of those school and unfortunately I got rejected . I consider teaching as part time career in the future but i want to earn my doctorate now because I am still motivated about going back to school .I don't want for-profit school I am still paying the price for my first mistake ,which is why i can't apply for traditional public Ph.d program because I'm pretty sure they won't even look seriously to my application . If you know any program anywhere in U.S. that has part time schedules / weekend classes i will be so grateful for you . Thank you again Steve .
  4. Steve King

    Steve King Member


    Several of your comments ring very true for me, too. I relate to wanting to continue taking classes while still feeling motivated and since I still have student loan debt from my undergraduate degree program, I’ve worked hard to minimize the costs of my graduate education. I appreciate your concerns and I hope others on this board can help.

    You mentioned looking for a “program anywhere in U.S. that has part time schedules / weekend classes” [sic]. I attend a program that only requires short, on-campus residencies. When I was considering the program I chose, I also found similar programs at other universities. For example, I seriously considered Northeastern University’s two-year doctorate in law and policy (see: Doctorate Degree Law and Policy | Northeastern College of Professional Studies). I even attended classes one Saturday afternoon in Boston to see it firsthand. lhaynes79 is a member of DegreeInfo and was in the program, so you could send lhaynes79 a private message to learn more.

    I chose a three year program for my doctorate. Each year, students are required to be on-campus for classes every month. At the start of the semester, students live on-campus for one 7-day residency. Each month thereafter students spend a long 3-day weekend on-campus until the end of the semester. There are no summer semester classes. (See: Information Systems & Communication: Robert Morris University)

    If you search the DegreeInfo board you’ll find a lot of other doctoral programs with only short residency requirements. For example, Anderson University has a Doctor of Business Administration (DBA) degree designed for teachers. It requires three short residencies in Indiana each year. (See: Doctor of Business Administration (DBA): Anderson University, a Christian College in Indiana). This is just one of many examples you can find by searching this board.

    Finally, I should mention that an incredible amount of reading and writing is required for a research doctorate (as opposed to a professional doctorate, which can vary in terms of writing requirements). The admissions process for most doctoral programs request a writing sample, which is used to determine prospective students’ writing abilities. A prospective student’s English writing abilities can be a big determinant in the evaluation of their application. If English is not your native language, for example, it can be much more difficult to get into a doctoral program. In this case, improving English writing skills can be more effective in gaining admission to a PhD program than additional years of work experience. I don’t know if this applies to you because I haven’t read any of your academic writing. I know that we are a lot more informal on these discussion boards.

    Best of luck!
  5. Shawn Ambrose

    Shawn Ambrose New Member

    Steve has given some great advice, and I am going to add to his... :)

    The 2 questions I have for you are:

    1. Why a doctorate?

    2. Why now, instead of earning some leadership/management experience?


    BTW - if your GMAT scores are high enough, a "traditional PhD" program will look at you.
  6. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    If you are willing to consider European Schools, there are some Ivey league schools offering DBAs like Henley Business School, University of Manchester and University of Strathclyde for the price range you want.
  7. dl_mba

    dl_mba Member

    I thought Ivey league was only in USA. Henley Business School, University of Manchester and University of Strathclyde are they really?. Admission to these schools is fairly straight forward. They are just expesive than others in UK but simple admission process.
  8. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Well, the University of Western Ontario is the only school in the Ivey League. :laughing:

    Okay, but seriously, as for the Ivy League, none are in the UK. The term specifically refers to eight schools: Brown, Columbia, Cornell, Dartmouth, Harvard, Princeton, the University of Pennsylvania, and Yale.
  9. edowave

    edowave Active Member

    Not Ivy per se, but they are all top universities that are on par with an Ivy league institution.

    I've always thought of UK programs like a roach motel. Easy to get in, not so easy getting out!
  10. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    Check the FT business rankigs (respectable ranking)

    Manchester - 29 (Higher than Cornell)
    Henley -33 (For its Executive MBA) Business school rankings from the Financial Times - Henley Business School
    University of Strathclyde -74

    Business school rankings from the Financial Times - Global MBA Rankings 2011

    Not easy to get in, European schools do not require GMAT, GRE, or any other standard examination but they require a strong master's degree.

    Why would someone want to spend 50K for a PhD at an online American school when a doctorate from a top british school costs about the same is something that is beyond my comprehension.
    Yes, the British doctorate won't be a walk in the park but it has a lot more value than your average PhD from a dot com school.
  11. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    I agree, although I suppose relative ease is the reason?
  12. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    I believe partly is ignorance and partly aggressive marketing from virtual schools. Virtual schools also provide easy access, you can just enroll by filling up an application.

    Also, many don't understand the need of AACSB accreditation, rankings, etc.

    As a personal experience, I was about to enroll with TUI or Argosy because easy access and agressive marketing but I decided to do some more research about other options.
  13. Shawn Ambrose

    Shawn Ambrose New Member

    Don't forget the funding :)

    I used VA benefits, Military Tuition Assistance, and Assistance from the American Indian College Fund to help with my doctorate, along with borrowing money. I needed an degree earned in the United States - overseas wasn't (and isn't) an option.

    Although I borrowed money, I'll be done paying the loans in 8 more years, and without going into a lot of personal detail, I am eligible for the Income Based Repayment Program with Loan Forgiveness for teaching.

  14. Randell1234

    Randell1234 Moderator Staff Member

    When I applied to NCU in 2004, I am not even sure if I knew what AACSB was. I was also not aware of the foreign options for PhD. To be honest, I don't think it would've been approved for tuition assistance by my employer since I had to write a letter of justification explaining how the company would benefit from them paying for my PhD. When I decided to go with NCU they did not have an aggressive marketing campaign and I don't even think they had been accredited for very long.

    I almost went with Touro University International for the PhD but they were not accepting new applicants at the time. Also remember, it was not TUI at the time. It was Touro University International which is where I completed my Masters degree and is part of Touro College which is a B&M school.

    As I said a couple times in the past my PhD ultimately cost me $3000 out-of-pocket. The rest of the cost was covered by tuition assistance money. Regardless of anyone’s opinion of NCU is a RA school and $3000 for PhD is pretty hard to beat.
  15. dcan

    dcan New Member

    I'm really curious about the complaints against NCU. What is the issue? I toy with the idea of going through them when I get into my grad degree phase. I know ryoder (I believe he's posted here) just finished his grad degree at NCU and is starting a PhD there.

    What could be so wrong about NCU that draws complaints? Is it simply that they are a "for-profit" school? If so, then I don't think they are in the same league as UoP or Kaplan. I'm just not sure what the issue is, but I confess ignorance.
  16. ryoder

    ryoder New Member

    Uh-oh. Now the board knows I have settled on NCU for my PhD. ;)
    I realized a long time ago that there are some considerably loud voices on this board who are against NCU. It is honestly such a distraction to me that I do not post about NCU on this board any longer.
  17. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    There are many threads that discuss this. From what I have read, there are some complaints about customer service and lack of rigour of courses.

    It is better you go and do a search. Everytime someone asks about this, the thread becomes a NCU bashing thread that extends forever. There is no point to start all over again.
  18. major56

    major56 Active Member

    Just supposing, but I would lean toward the preconception as regards pretty much all for-profit post-secondary’s (e.g., the partisan battle for or against for-profit education). Perhaps some have overlooked who exactly were the disruptive innovators in the higher ed landscape as regards recognizing a market opportunity and of whom subsequently furthered non-traditional postsecondary education (DL) into the 21st century (e.g., virtual learning along with eLearning options through customization and accessibility). This innovation was not in my observation originated nor revolutionized by traditionalist B&Ms with their: 1) historical clinging to the F2F instruction model and its access barriers, 2) afterthought /late entrant supplemental line-extension (e.g., revenue generation via incorporating the online experience with the conventional institution brand), and/or 3) necessity to balance educational outcomes with the financial bottom-line (e.g., the benefits associated with hard dollar savings and achieved revenue that include ROI, costs saving and revenue creation).

    Louis Soares (director of postsecondary education for the Center for American Progress) argues that "A disruptive innovation always starts out at a lower quality. [But], if you take that for-profit energy out of higher education, online [education] wouldn't have grown the way it has in the last 10 years.”
  19. truckie270

    truckie270 New Member

    I was in a PhD program at NCU for a while. My issues with the school have nothing to do with the quality or rigor of the work - my concentration courses were very rigorous. Others have had issues about rigor, but I did not. My main issues were with the absolute crap customer service, frequent and inconsistent changes in policy and requirements, and an overall negative perception out there of the degree.
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  20. dcan

    dcan New Member

    Well hell, now I have a terminal case of foot-in-mouth. Figured it had been mentioned already. :(

    My concern is with how the degree is perceived, but I guess it all comes down to the audience. I can imagine someone trying to move into academics at a B&M would have trouble with a degree from a for-profit online-only school, whereas someone looking to simply have upward mobility in business (or whatever) may not have the same trouble.

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